HB Arnett really down about this recruiting class

[Coach McGuirk]

Originally Posted by jay santos

"I don't care if Bronco's recruiting classes suck because he wins games."

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard from a large number of BYU fans in a long time.

Either recruiting's important or it's not. Obviously it is. No college fan would disagree.

Either this class is good or it's not. I'm convinced it's 1) marginally worse but not ridiculously worse than it's been the last five years but more importantly 2) it's not nearly as good as it COULD have been considering the huge amount of LDS talent we missed on.

Not only did we lose a ton of recruits to BCS schools, but arguably Utah had as good as year we did with the top 15 or so LDS recruits. We got a few, they got a few.

Better put than me. I know we lost some kids last year. We lost some with Crowton also, and we will continue to lose these kids as long as there is a BCS and we are not apart of it. The Ngatas, Kaviengas and alot of the legit 4-5 star LDS athletes will choose to go to a BSC school. Especially when you can't find BYU on a TV. Do you think it was a coincidence Bronco mentioned this at the press conference? Utah is losing the same type of recruits to the BCS and because BM nor Whit can say we play on ESPN and ABC.

Maybe soon they can say we play on CBS but I doubt it.

I just don't think this class is as bad as people think it is. We just missed the most visible recruits. My post was meant to say I don't care much for HB's judgment anymore.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Because HB listened to Bronco's presentation on the recruits.

What do you expect Bronco to say? "Uhhh.... Sorry fans, these guys we recruited really suck. We were hoping to get guys with more stars, but we struck out this year."

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Coach McGuirk

Same guy that used to talk about how great Crowtons classes were, right? I will take the results of Bronco and HB bitching about it, over 5-6 seasons and HB loving our recruiting.

Now I can see the comeback to this being Bronco winning with Crowton's recruits but Bronco's recruits are already big contributers on the team.

Those "great" Crowton classes finally reached upperclassmen status under Bronco, so you can't separate one from the other.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He says Mendenhall pulled an O-fer when it came to the best LDS athletes available:

Kavienga
Kevin Prince
Hamani Stevens
Max Tuiti-Mariner
Simi Kuli
Lyn Katoa
David Kruger

He says you have a problem when your star in your class is a kicker and then your coach says he doesn't have to worry about stars because he has 22 wins in the last two seasons. But he doesn't mention that he is 3-6 against BCS.

BYU is 12-20 against BCS teams, most of which are not even the better ones in their leagues.

So Austin Holt is chopped liver? 12-20 against BCS teams? From when to when?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So Austin Holt is chopped liver? 12-20 against BCS teams? From when to when?

last 10 seasons

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

last 10 seasons

Well, our last 10 seasons are the worst 10 season stretch since the mid 70s. 2006 was our worst 10 year moving average since 1977

Season	Wins	Losses	Ties	Win%
1977	59	50	1	0.541
1978	66	46	1	0.588
1979	71	43	1	0.622
1980	80	36	1	0.688
1981	86	32	1	0.727
1982	87	32	1	0.729
1983	93	27	1	0.773
1984	99	23	0	0.811
1985	104	21	0	0.832
1986	103	23	0	0.817
1987	103	25	0	0.805
1988	103	25	0	0.805
1989	102	27	0	0.791
1990	100	29	0	0.775
1991	97	30	2	0.760
1992	97	31	2	0.754
1993	92	36	2	0.715
1994	89	39	2	0.692
1995	85	40	2	0.677
1996	91	36	2	0.713
1997	88	37	2	0.701
1998	88	38	2	0.695
1999	86	39	2	0.685
2000	82	42	2	0.659
2001	86	41	0	0.677
2002	83	43	0	0.659
2003	81	45	0	0.643
2004	76	48	0	0.613
2005	75	50	0	0.600
2006	72	51	0	0.585
2007	77	48	0	0.616

[Taq Man]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Understood.

I don't have a problem when fans want bigger and better things to happen. I'm just one that doesn't worry about kids who don't sign with Utah, because if they wanted to play for the Utes, they would.

Thats the problem though. Why can't the coaching staff sell these recruits on the school so they want to come. Utah I can understand, but BYU should have a huge leg up in getting the LDS recruits. It is troubling that BM can't seal the deal.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Well, our last 10 seasons are the worst 10 season stretch since the mid 70s.

How much of that is due to the BCS system making the rich richer and the poor poorer?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Well, our last 10 seasons are the worst 10 season stretch since the mid 70s. 2006 was our worst 10 year moving average since 1977

Season	Wins	Losses	Ties	Win%
1977	59	50	1	0.541
1978	66	46	1	0.588
1979	71	43	1	0.622
1980	80	36	1	0.688
1981	86	32	1	0.727
1982	87	32	1	0.729
1983	93	27	1	0.773
1984	99	23	0	0.811
1985	104	21	0	0.832
1986	103	23	0	0.817
1987	103	25	0	0.805
1988	103	25	0	0.805
1989	102	27	0	0.791
1990	100	29	0	0.775
1991	97	30	2	0.760
1992	97	31	2	0.754
1993	92	36	2	0.715
1994	89	39	2	0.692
1995	85	40	2	0.677
1996	91	36	2	0.713
1997	88	37	2	0.701
1998	88	38	2	0.695
1999	86	39	2	0.685
2000	82	42	2	0.659
2001	86	41	0	0.677
2002	83	43	0	0.659
2003	81	45	0	0.643
2004	76	48	0	0.613
2005	75	50	0	0.600
2006	72	51	0	0.585
2007	77	48	0	0.616

Run this against only BCS teams.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Taq Man

Thats the problem though. Why can't the coaching staff sell these recruits on the school so they want to come. Utah I can understand, but BYU should have a huge leg up in getting the LDS recruits. It is troubling that BM can't seal the deal.

Why should we expect that BYU should be the default choice for top-notch LDS athletes? Face it, if we're going head-to-head against USC, it's no contest if all that recruit is interested in is how good the football program is.