BYU: A legacy built on crappy SOS

[Indy Coug]

Enjoy.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=3140510

[Judge Smails]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'd rather go 10-2 against a schedule no worse than last years and a Vegas bowl win, then to sell out to a flawed system, play nobody, and make a BCS game on a regular basis.

The hang up is the money of course, but I like a challenge. At least with a tough schedule, we can say we earned a BCS game if we ever get there.

[cougjunkie]

I wont read it.

Indy we want some exclusivity from you.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Enjoy.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=3140510

This is the fault of the anti-Crowton crowd. Ever since Jay, Waters and myself embarassed Indy in his staunch defense of Gary Crowton's incompetence, Indy became the biggest anti-BYU fan of them all.

Trully he must be Gary Crowton's nephew!

[Indy Coug]

Anti-BYU fan?

[Tex]

Maybe I'm not being statistically sensitive, but is the difference between .486 and .513 really that big? Is that considered statistically significant?

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Anti-BYU fan?

A fan of being anti-BYU = anti-BYU fan.

Saying that I do recall that a daily tactic you used as a smokescreen to camouflage your uncle's incompetence was to smeer the accomplishments of his holyness, Lavell Edwards, so perhaps you have long been an anti-BYU fan.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Enjoy.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=3140510

I have a few comments.

1. Opp winning record is the easiest way to calculate SOS, but not that accurate. It might change the picture looking at a different calculation, maybe not.
2. I don't know if this was a strategy as you suggest. Wyoming and Utah State had better programs back in the 60's. Arizona and ASU leaving WAC also hurt the SOS. It might be possible that BYU's traditional opponents took a dive in the 70's, and since that point they have slowly tried to upgrade their schedule as the program was upgraded.
3. SOS and winning record are directly correlated, given the same power ranking. So your note that our winning ways got less consistent with SOS increase is obvious.
4. I really don't know what your point is, so I don't know whether to agree or disagree with the main idea.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

A fan of being anti-BYU = anti-BYU fan.

Saying that I do recall that a daily tactic you used as a smokescreen to camouflage your uncle's incompetence was to smeer the accomplishments of his holyness, Lavell Edwards, so perhaps you have long been an anti-BYU fan.

First, if you would ever bother paying attention, my contention all along is that SOS, in a vacuum, should not be the be-all, end-all of determining how good or bad a team is. I get sick and tired of BYU fans slapping around teams like Boise State for rising to prominence using essentially the same scheduling model BYU used to to during their glory years (1979-1984) where they would schedule one quality BCS school and fill the remainder of their OOC schedule with questionable competition. It reeks to high heaven of hypocrisy.

What the easier schedule allowed them to do as a budding program was to bump up their W-L record, which then snowballed into more national recognition and improved talent.

There is no denying that after BYU's national championship and all the crap they got about their SOS, they made a conscious effort to crank up their OOC difficulty. But along with that came a lot more volatility in their W-L record. Let's take 1991. BYU was 0-3-1 against some very good BCS teams and 8-0-1 against WAC/Utah State.

I'd just like BYU fans to recognize, understand and embrace their roots rather than engage in the same bullshit snobbery used against BYU in the past.

Often, you come off as really intelligent, but when you see this as being some bizarre rip on LaVell, apologize for Crowton post, I honestly have to reconsider.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

First, if you would ever bother paying attention, my contention all along is that SOS, in a vacuum, should not be the be-all, end-all of determining how good or bad a team is. I get sick and tired of BYU fans slapping around teams like Boise State for rising to prominence using essentially the same scheduling model BYU used to to during their glory years (1979-1984) where they would schedule one quality BCS school and fill the remainder of their OOC schedule with questionable competition. It reeks to high heaven of hypocrisy.

What the easier schedule allowed them to do as a budding program was to bump up their W-L record, which then snowballed into more national recognition and improved talent.

There is no denying that after BYU's national championship and all the crap they got about their SOS, they made a conscious effort to crank up their OOC difficulty. But along with that came a lot more volatility in their W-L record. Let's take 1991. BYU was 0-3-1 against some very good BCS teams and 8-0-1 against WAC/Utah State.

I'd just like BYU fans to recognize, understand and embrace their roots rather than engage in the same bullshit snobbery used against BYU in the past.

Often, you come off as really intelligent, but when you see this as being some bizarre rip on LaVell, apologize for Crowton post, I honestly have to reconsider.

I will take that as an admission that you were wrong about Crowton.