A few thoughts on the So'oto/Hooks incident

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So what was your basis for thinking what he said about Utah's recruiting was false?

Risk/reward of what he claims Utah was doing. The risk of what Utah was great, the reward was pretty minimal.

[mpfunk]

This is not mentioning that TBS clearly recruits within the definition of the rules by the NCAA, the NCAA just doesn't want to pursue this type of thing at this time.

I have heard this is a question that TBS likes to use "how do you feel about the possibility for playing for the school that represents your church." That my friends right there is clearly recruiting. You have someone who is clearly a booster of the team, asking a question that portrays a positive of BYU to the recruit.

[SeattleUte]

I'm just glad Coach Whittingham doesn't recruit thugs like this.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

I have heard this is a question that TBS likes to use "how do you feel about the possibility for playing for the school that represents your church." That my friends right there is clearly recruiting. You have someone who is clearly a booster of the team, asking a question that portrays a positive of BYU to the recruit.

Lame. Funk, I'm starting to think you're a rivalry loser.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Lame. Funk, I'm starting to think you're a rivalry loser.

No Jay I have actually read the NCAA rules and done research on these recruiting websites. I wrote my paper for my sports law class on recruiting websites, and I think pretty much everyone of them out there is involved in recruiting in some manner.

The rules regarding recruiting are very broad and catch a wide range of activities. If you are a booster for the school, which some schools define as anyone who consistently buys a ticket to the schools sporting events, you cannot have any contact with a recruit.

If you want some consistency I would consider it a recruiting violation if the Ute site said something to a QB like "how do you feel about playing for Andy Ludwig, considering he mentored David Carr to the NFL?"

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

No Jay I have actually read the NCAA rules and done research on these recruiting websites. I wrote my paper for my sports law class on recruiting websites, and I think pretty much everyone of them out there is involved in recruiting in some manner.

The rules regarding recruiting are very broad and catch a wide range of activities. If you are a booster for the school, which some schools define as anyone who consistently buys a ticket to the schools sporting events, you cannot have any contact with a recruit.

If you want some consistency I would consider it a recruiting violation if the Ute site said something to a QB like "how do you feel about playing for Andy Ludwig, considering he mentored David Carr to the NFL?"

Your paper must've been fraught with biased inconsistencies then. Also if you think a simple question like..."How do you feel about playing for Andy Ludwig,,considering he mentored David Carr to the NFL" a recruiting violation then you're quite frankly up in the night.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Your paper must've been fraught with biased inconsistencies then. Also if you think a simple question like..."How do you feel about playing for Andy Ludwig,,considering he mentored David Carr to the NFL" a recruiting violation then you're quite frankly up in the night.

I'm not up at night, I just have experience in interpreting administrative rules. Comes with having experience in the law. Reasonable minds could disagree with my interpretation of the NCAA's administrative rules, but my interpretation can easily be supported.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

I'm not up at night, I just have experience in interpreting administrative rules. Comes with having experience in the law. Reasonable minds could disagree with my interpretation of the NCAA's administrative rules, but my interpretation can easily be supported.

I think very few people would agree that a season ticket holder is a member of the Booster club or are boosters of the program. Even by the definitions you just posted above. It's not clear at all about that in fact.

The 95 bucks I spent on season tickets last year makes me a booster?

I spent 15 bucks to go to one of the basketball games this year....does that make me a booster. I went to several bball games this year for free via tickets from vendors at my brothers work.

Does Joe Blow who out of the blue one night is bored, has nothing to do,,,decides...heck...I want to go to the volleyball and spends his 5 bucks...is he a booster to?

Neither Talo or Brandon are members of the CougarClub,,,in fact it's been made clear to them in their meetings with BYU Admin and the AD that they are not to be in any, way, shape or form.

I'm not a CougarClub member (Cause I think the CC Sucks..but that's a topic for another day).....and don't consider myself a booster.

I could have any player I wanted over to my house for dinner,,,that doesn't make me a booster or a violater of recruiting rules.

My oldest brother is a Ute season ticket holder. He's not a member of the Crimson Club. One of his old long time buddies John Fakler runs many facets of the Crimson Club....Now HE's a booster. JohnHaddow is a booster for BYU...there is a stark difference.

By the way, thanks for the posting those rules. Kudos to you.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I think very few people would agree that a season ticket holder is a member of the Booster club are boosters of the program. Even by the definitions you just posted above. It's not clear at all about that in fact.

The 95 bucks I spent on season tickets last year makes me a booster?

I spent 15 bucks to go to one of the basketball games this year....does that make me a booster. I went to several bball games this year for free via tickets from vendors at my brothers work.

Does Joe Blow who out of the blue one night is bored, has nothing to do,,,decides...heck...I want to go to the volleyball and spends his 5 bucks...is he a booster to?

Neither Talo or Brandon are members of the CougarClub,,,in fact it's been made clear to them in their meetings with BYU Admin and the AD that they are not to be in any, way, shape or form.

I'm not a CougarClub member (Cause I think the CC Sucks..but that's a topic for another day).....and don't consider myself a booster.

I could have any player I wanted over to my house for dinner,,,that doesn't make me a booster or a violater of recruiting rules.

By the way, thanks for the posting those rules. Kudos to you.

Buying a few tickets here and there will not make you a booster. Having season tickets a lot of schools consider this a booster.

From the Texas compliance department.

"The NCAA definition of 'a representative of the University’s athletics interests' is very broad and encompasses many — if not all — of the people who are regular attendees at our sports events. If you fall into this category, there are a number of activities regarding contact with student-athletes and recruits that could put the University at risk for NCAA sanctions."

Virginia Tech's compliance department claims that anyone who is alumni or attended Virginia Tech is a booster. In short if you take a class at Va. Tech they consider you a booster.

This is a very unsettled issue, and it is not limited to just people who are members of the Cougar Club. The reason it is not limited to just those people is because you could easily subvert the rules by not joining the booster organization.

Another thing to keep in mind is by NCAA bylaws once you become a booster you retain that status for life. If you donate to a booster organization one time, you are a booster for that school for the rest of your life.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

Buying a few tickets here and there will not make you a booster. Having season tickets a lot of schools consider this a booster.

From the Texas compliance department.

"The NCAA definition of 'a representative of the University’s athletics interests' is very broad and encompasses many — if not all — of the people who are regular attendees at our sports events. If you fall into this category, there are a number of activities regarding contact with student-athletes and recruits that could put the University at risk for NCAA sanctions."

Virginia Tech's compliance department claims that anyone who is alumni or attended Virginia Tech is a booster. In short if you take a class at Va. Tech they consider you a booster.

This is a very unsettled issue, and it is not limited to just people who are members of the Cougar Club. The reason it is not limited to just those people is because you could easily subvert the rules by not joining the booster organization.

Another thing to keep in mind is by NCAA bylaws once you become a booster you retain that status for life. If you donate to a booster organization one time, you are a booster for that school for the rest of your life.

So, Funk. Are you pissed that potential Utah recruits are being asked by BYU fans if they are interested in playing for the church's school? Or are you just giving BYU a warning out of the goodness of your heart, to help them avoid trouble with the NCAA?