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Cali Coug · 03-03-2009, 03:39 AM

Limbaugh is on record now (twice) saying he "hopes Obama's policies fail." What a twisted and despicable thing to say. Even more despicable given that he is the de facto head of the Republican Party.

At CPAC, Santorum and DeLay agreed wholeheartedly with Rush that they also hope the economic recovery plans of Obama fail.

Are you on board with that, Tex? Or are you openly opposed to Limbaugh, who you have said represents true conservative values, the kind of values Republicans always win with when they run?

MikeWaters · 03-03-2009, 04:02 AM

Like as in they hope that his efforts to prop up the housing bubble by rewarding the irresponsible fails?

Cali Coug · 03-03-2009, 04:06 AM

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Like as in they hope that his efforts to prop up the housing bubble by rewarding the irresponsible fails?

Amusing that even the response to your silly loaded question should be a resounding "no." Why would you HOPE he and his policies fail? That just doesn't make sense. You may believe they will fail. You may think they are wrongheaded. You may think they are the worst ideas ever adopted by mankind. But why would you HOPE that to be the case? Wouldn't you HOPE they will work and you will be wrong?

MikeWaters · 03-03-2009, 04:07 AM

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Amusing that even the response to your silly loaded question should be a resounding "no." Why would you HOPE he and his policies fail? That just doesn't make sense. You may believe they will fail. You may think they are wrongheaded. You may think they are the worst ideas ever adopted by mankind. But why would you HOPE that to be the case? Wouldn't you HOPE they will work and you will be wrong?

why would someone hope that the redistribution of income through increased taxes on families at 250k (right?) or higher fail?

Cali Coug · 03-03-2009, 04:16 AM

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why would someone hope that the redistribution of income through increased taxes on families at 250k (right?) or higher fail?

Yes. Why would you hope it would fail?

The concern people have with "redistribution of wealth" (which is an absurd term to use in this context) is that it will lead to failure on multiple levels- disincentivization of work and capital accumulation, rewarding slothfulness, increasing poverty and unemployment, etc. So say we implement the policy and none of that happens and, in fact, it raises revenue without any of the negative feared side effects. Wouldn't that be great for the country? Why would you hope it would fail, then? Just so you could be proven correct? Talk about narcissism.

Many of us hope a candidate will lose (because we believe their policies will fail). Many of us hope a party will lose (same reason). Many of us hope a better policy or candidate will prevail. But why hope the policy itself will fail? If it succeeds, you were simply wrong to disagree with the policy in the first place; hoping it will fail is merely hoping you won't be proven wrong.

Tex · 03-03-2009, 01:12 PM

Heh.

Cali Coug · 03-03-2009, 02:35 PM

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Heh.

Sometimes, that's all you have left.

Tex · 03-03-2009, 03:24 PM

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Sometimes, that's all you have left.

So not worth my time.

ChinoCoug · 03-03-2009, 06:18 PM

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Yes. Why would you hope it would fail?

The concern people have with "redistribution of wealth" (which is an absurd term to use in this context) is that it will lead to failure on multiple levels- disincentivization of work and capital accumulation, rewarding slothfulness, increasing poverty and unemployment, etc. So say we implement the policy and none of that happens and, in fact, it raises revenue without any of the negative feared side effects. Wouldn't that be great for the country? Why would you hope it would fail, then? Just so you could be proven correct? Talk about narcissism.

Even when the redistribution of wealth succeeds without the disastrous consequences you mention (and it will succeed), guys like Archaea will say it still isn't "fair" that those making 250K+ get taxed more. Since all the observable evidence in the world shows it's not bad for the economy, the right-wingers run behind some nebulus notion of "fair" over and over again.

Cali Coug · 03-03-2009, 06:25 PM

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Even when the redistribution of wealth succeeds without the disastrous consequences you mention (and it will succeed), guys like Archaea will say it still isn't "fair" that those making 250K+ get taxed more. Since all the observable evidence in the world shows it's not bad for the economy, the right-wingers run behind some nebulus notion of "fair" over and over again.

Which is why they hope it will fail. They don't want their paradigm challenged, even if it results in a better future for everyone.

03-03-2009, 03:39 AM	#1
Cali Coug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,996	Limbaugh and his ilk Limbaugh is on record now (twice) saying he "hopes Obama's policies fail." What a twisted and despicable thing to say. Even more despicable given that he is the de facto head of the Republican Party. At CPAC, Santorum and DeLay agreed wholeheartedly with Rush that they also hope the economic recovery plans of Obama fail. Are you on board with that, Tex? Or are you openly opposed to Limbaugh, who you have said represents true conservative values, the kind of values Republicans always win with when they run?

03-03-2009, 01:12 PM	#6
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	Heh. __________________ "Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?" "And yes, [2010] is a very good year to be a Democrat. Perhaps the best year in decades ..." - Cali Coug "Oh dear, granny, what a long tail our puss has got." - Brigham Young

03-03-2009, 04:02 AM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Like as in they hope that his efforts to prop up the housing bubble by rewarding the irresponsible fails?