Prop 8 support cost him his job

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

I don't remember who said it offhand, but there was a general conference talk a few years back when one of the apostles said something like, (OK, I know it's an obvious point for enlightened ones like SU):

We frequently receive letters asking, "What about this advice you gave in conference pertaining to __________? I don't think it applies to me for the following reasons....."

The speaker went on to state the obvious: That general advice from the Church to its membership can't possibly apply to every member in every situation. A lot of Church members seem to forget that fairly obvious point.

If somebody figures out what talk I'm referring to from my very vague description (may have been Oaks?), that would be cool.

I think you are citing an aberrant talk, or your paraphrase is innacurate. They want you to blindly follow. They are explicit about that (except for this one aberrant talk you seem to recall if in fact you recall it correctly).

[MikeWaters]

you don't think a GA has ever counseled someone to give up their job in order to do something for the church. Like give up their job so they can attend church, as an example?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

(Who knew there were straight, LDS theater artistic directors out there?)

I think we have a new qualifier for Darwin award. The only straight, LDS theater artistic director in Los Angeles who gave $1,000 to Proposition 8.

[CardiacCoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

you don't think a GA has ever counseled someone to give up their job in order to do something for the church. Like give up their job so they can attend church, as an example?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure a few of the apostles and many mission presidents have given up pretty prestigious jobs to serve in the Church when they were asked individually to do this.

But I'm talking about general advice to the Church as a whole, not specific callings. This general advice (to support Prop 8, for example) obviously can't possibly apply to every individual member.

[LA Ute]

Seattle and Mike are in this issue.

If the two of you peered a little more closely at this you might detect a disturbing tactic at work: Silencing critics by intimidation. Think Kristallnacht. Think Maoism. It's a very popular tactic on the American Left. Kind of like showing up at a press conference and shouting down your opponents so they can't get their message out. Or shouting down an unpopular speaker at a univesity.

But you approve of what happened here, and so you see no problem.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by LA Ute

Seattle and Mike are in this issue.

If the two of you peered a little more closely at this you might detect a disturbing tactic at work: Silencing critics by intimidation. Think Kristallnacht. Think Maoism. It's very popular on the American Left.

But you approve of what happened here, and so you see no problem.

I'm a critic. I'm not silenced.

You're a critic. You're not silenced.

Mr. Theater guy is a critic. His quotes are all over the media and blogosphere.

But yes, there are sheep here, that are afraid to say anything.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

Yeah, I'm pretty sure a few of the apostles and many mission presidents have given up pretty prestigious jobs to serve in the Church when they were asked individually to do this.

But I'm talking about general advice to the Church as a whole, not specific callings. This general advice (to support Prop 8, for example) obviously can't possibly apply to every individual member.

by common consent. if consent is never sought, then it can never be obtained.

I have never interpreted sustaining as meaning "always doing what someone says."

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm a critic. I'm not silenced.

You're a critic. You're not silenced.

Mr. Theater guy is a critic. His quotes are all over the media and blogosphere.

But yes, there are sheep here, that are afraid to say anything.

I agree. Everyone on all sides are exercising their rights. It's a beautiful mess. No one is silenced.

Still, LA, I'm uncomfortable with you lumping me and Waters together.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I think Mormonism's/BYU's reputation has fallen to an all-time low since 1978 in the past couple of weeks among the arts and academic and credentialed communities.

And believe me, we're all very concerned. I was hopeful the academic community would move forward with that important Book of Mormon research and now ... well, it's all for naught.

What a shame.

[MikeWaters]

SU is an idiot. Don't lump me in with him.

We are opposites, as black to white, oil to water, light to darkness, good to evil, matter to anti-matter, God to Satan.