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Old 07-13-2006, 01:12 PM   #1
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1067









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That's right, it's the number of doctrinal errors Mark E. Peterson and Marion G. Romney found in Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine. Elders Peterson and Romney were reviewing the book at the direction of the First Presidency. In announcing their decision to the gathered Quorum of the Twelve, The First Presidency signed their names to a memo stating that Mormon Doctrine "must not be republished, as it is full or errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation." The First Presidency initially prescribed that Elder McConkie make a public apology for the book, but changed its mind three weeks later because the apology "might lessen his influence" as a General Church Authority.

Someone keep Grapevine away from ledges and sharp objects.

P.S.: I don't think this makes Elder McConkie any less of a General Authority.
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Old 07-13-2006, 01:37 PM   #2
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1067

Any guesses?

That's right, it's the number of doctrinal errors Mark E. Peterson and Marion G. Romney found in Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine. Elders Peterson and Romney were reviewing the book at the direction of the First Presidency. In announcing their decision to the gathered Quorum of the Twelve, The First Presidency signed their names to a memo stating that Mormon Doctrine "must not be republished, as it is full or errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation." The First Presidency initially proscribed that Elder McConkie make a public apology for the book, but changed its mind three weeks later because the apology "might lessen his influence" as a General Church Authority.

Someone keep Grapevine away from ledges and sharp objects.

P.S.: I don't think this makes Elder McConkie any less of a General Authority.
I think what it DOES show, however, is that even a well intended Apostle (I think he was well intended, others disagree, I know) using his best efforts and powers of reason can come to a host of incorrect conclusions about a range of things acting alone.

How much more true this must be for the rest of us.

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Old 07-13-2006, 02:55 PM   #3
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1067









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That's right, it's the number of doctrinal errors Mark E. Peterson and Marion G. Romney found in Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine. Elders Peterson and Romney were reviewing the book at the direction of the First Presidency. In announcing their decision to the gathered Quorum of the Twelve, The First Presidency signed their names to a memo stating that Mormon Doctrine "must not be republished, as it is full or errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation." The First Presidency initially proscribed that Elder McConkie make a public apology for the book, but changed its mind three weeks later because the apology "might lessen his influence" as a General Church Authority.

Someone keep Grapevine away from ledges and sharp objects.

P.S.: I don't think this makes Elder McConkie any less of a General Authority.
That is interesting. I am curious, though, how we know that Romney's and Peterson's conclusions reflected true doctrine while McConkie's did not.

Don't get me wrong, I find Mormon Doctrine to have a lot of VERY odd statements. But if one guy is infallible, aren't two also? Wouldn't the entire quorum of the 12 need to review the book to accurately determine the number of errors, if any?
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Old 07-13-2006, 03:02 PM   #4
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That is interesting. I am curious, though, how we know that Romney's and Peterson's conclusions reflected true doctrine while McConkie's did not.
I don't think we do know (or even need to). Disagreement can be a good thing. Try to follow the Spirit and encourage others to do likewise.

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Don't get me wrong, I find Mormon Doctrine to have a lot of VERY odd statements. But if one guy is infallible, aren't two also? Wouldn't the entire quorum of the 12 need to review the book to accurately determine the number of errors, if any?
Of course two (or more) can be fallible as well. As to who should review it, TFP assigned Romney & Peterson (and TFP expressed agreement with their findings).
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Old 07-13-2006, 03:09 PM   #5
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I think what it DOES show, however, is that even a well intended Apostle (I think he was well intended, others disagree, I know) using his best efforts and powers of reason can come to a host of incorrect conclusions about a range of things acting alone.

How much more true this must be for the rest of us.

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Two scriptures come immediately to mind:

The first is when Nephi observes that his father Lehi didn't completely understand everything about his own vision. (1 Ne. 15:11)


The second is Paul's declaration in 1 Cor. 13: 12: For now we see through a glass, darkly...
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... when he penned the first edition of Mormon Doctrine. He conceded to produce a toned down second edition, which is the one we all have today. The first edition is a black-listed book. It is very hard to find one. It was this maverick production of MD by BRM that caused all GAs to have to funnel their books through the 1st P for approval.
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Yeah, it may have over 1000 errors, but it is also a big book so it whittles it down to only about two errors every page. And that aint bad!
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