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MikeWaters · 03-06-2007, 09:04 PM

The lawyer says, "If we let this man lie under oath and get away with it, what message does that send to the people entrusted to run and administer this government?"

That's where the context comes in. If you are particularly concerned with malfeasance in the govt. then you are more apt to not give someone a mulligan.

That's Snipe's argument. "Everybody does it, why isn't everyone else prosecuted." He's arguing to give Libby a mulligan.

Was it Tex or Snipe that though that this case and the Clinton perjury were radically different, and the Clinton lie should be prosecuted, but a Libby lie shouldn't be.

LOL. They actually think they are principled.

SeattleUte · 03-06-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The lawyer says, "If we let this man lie under oath and get away with it, what message does that send to the people entrusted to run and administer this government?"

This is a good illustration of my point. On top of that, you have people entrusted to administrer the government lying to cover up their efforts to stifle dissent within government against a war that has become singularly unpopular and was started by our government on a premise that was proved false. The Times graphic has snippets of some of the jurors' statements in voir dire (I assume these snippets were not excised to deliberately convey the opposite meaning from what was intended because the Times is a news organizatin that prizes ethics). Of course each juror was asked what he thinks of the Iraq war. They all expressed unhappiness with it. If this is the twelve that was selected that means this twelve had some of the more benign answers to that question.

Everyone hates the war and hates Bush for it except CBers.

The Clinton situation is a good contrast. Poll after poll showed the American people forgave him. However the evidence came in I'm confident a jury would have acquitted him. Sometimes jurors decide they like the defendant and even though he's guilty he's suffered enough, for example. Jurors rock.

Venkman · 03-06-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastershake

why was scooter lying?

I don't know. He claims he wasn't lying but just forgot some details and misspoke. If there was no underlying crime or wrongdoing, then maybe he has a point. I'm just trying to figure out what he was supposedly covering for. It's my understanding that the White House wasn't the source of the Plame leak and that she wasn't covert anyway. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

Honest questions here.

SeattleUte · 03-06-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Venkman

I don't know. He claims he wasn't lying but just forgot some details and misspoke. If there was no underlying crime or wrongdoing, then maybe he has a point. I'm just trying to figure out what he was supposedly covering for. It's my understanding that the White House wasn't the source of the Plame leak and that she wasn't covert anyway. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

Honest questions here.

According to the linked article:

"[The prosecutor] Mr. Fitzgerald presented the case as a starkly simple matter: Libby lied under oath about his knowledge of Ms. Wilson, the C.I.A. officer, to avoid any hint that he had violated the law by knowingly revealing her secret employment as a spy."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/wa...agewanted=1&hp

Frank Ryan · 03-07-2007, 12:34 AM

how is that point addressed by the rush limbaugh/snipe crowd?

il Padrino Ute · 03-07-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mastershake

how is that point addressed by the rush limbaugh/snipe crowd?

A better question would be how do liberals feel that a Republican went after one of his own? For folks like Georgie Stephanopolis, something like this has to be a bittersweet kind of pill.

Frank Ryan · 03-07-2007, 01:35 AM

do you agree?

il Padrino Ute · 03-07-2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mastershake

do you agree?

Yes I do agree. As prosecutor, he did his job, which is a good thing.

I never really had an opinion one way or another about Libby. I just like to stir things up a bit. Sorry 'bout that.

Frank Ryan · 03-07-2007, 01:41 AM

but not cougarboard. That place is connected to some sort of alternate universe

il Padrino Ute · 03-07-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mastershake

but not cougarboard. That place is connected to some sort of alternate universe

No, it's even more fun on that board because the replies are much more entertaining.

03-07-2007, 12:34 AM	#15
Frank Ryan Formerly Mastershake Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 707	fitzgerald is a republican how is that point addressed by the rush limbaugh/snipe crowd?

03-07-2007, 01:35 AM	#17
Frank Ryan Formerly Mastershake Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 707	I think it shows Fitzgerald is an independent operator do you agree?

03-07-2007, 01:41 AM	#19
Frank Ryan Formerly Mastershake Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 707	Mixing things up is fun but not cougarboard. That place is connected to some sort of alternate universe

03-06-2007, 09:04 PM	#11
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The lawyer says, "If we let this man lie under oath and get away with it, what message does that send to the people entrusted to run and administer this government?" That's where the context comes in. If you are particularly concerned with malfeasance in the govt. then you are more apt to not give someone a mulligan. That's Snipe's argument. "Everybody does it, why isn't everyone else prosecuted." He's arguing to give Libby a mulligan. Was it Tex or Snipe that though that this case and the Clinton perjury were radically different, and the Clinton lie should be prosecuted, but a Libby lie shouldn't be. LOL. They actually think they are principled.