Recording of an excommunication

[scottie]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It sounded to me like he was calling the church a corrupt organization and that he denied the church was true and denied that the Book of Mormon was the word of God. It went beyond simply being an alternative history teacher.

Is that reason to excommunicate though?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It sounded to me like he was calling the church a corrupt organization and that he denied the church was true and denied that the Book of Mormon was the word of God. It went beyond simply being an alternative history teacher.

I don't think that is enough to get you exed. It is enough to deny you a temple recommend however and maybe a calling.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by scottie

Is that reason to excommunicate though?

Lyndon seemed to think so.

[scottie]

I'm watching the YouTube clips now. In the 2nd video the Stake President said, "I've never heard the Church teach anything but the scriptures,..."

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Lyndon seemed to think so.

Exactly. They did what he wanted.

His free speech argument was ridiculous. Does he work for Boeing? I wonder how he can possibly continue his employment there given Boeing's decisons to keep information out of the public realm.

He seemed very happy to finally be able to tell people "no" when asked if he was LDS. Then he runs out to tell people his isn't LDS.

I question the morality of taping someone secretly then making it public. I could see it if there had been some type of violation of protocal or abuse of some kind.

[BYU71]

If you believe like this guy does, what is the point of staying a member.

The only reason I can think of is for social reasons. OK, if you belong to a social organization, you have to live by that social organizations rules.

I know a guy at our Country Club who got kicked out because he got extrememly pissed and was screaming the F word around women and children. Heck what about free speech. A social organization can set rules.

I just don't get it. If you no longer believe in the church to the point you want to convince others to get out, get out yourself first so you don't mislead anyone as to your motives.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by scottie

I'm watching the YouTube clips now. In the 2nd video the Stake President said, "I've never heard the Church teach anything but the scriptures,..."

Again, Bishops and SP's are human beings. You have to laugh sometimes at what they say. Why was the SP or anyone arguing with this guy. Let him go.

[MikeWaters]

I don't think we will see lesson manuals mention JS's polyandry anytime soon. We will probably unofficially deny it happened for another two decades. Then there will be a tacit admission, but still kept under wraps.

Unfortunately there will be a few members who will feel they were lied to. Or rather, they will be lied to, but get upset about it. Many of us realize we have been deceived in many respects, but we give the deceivers the benefit of the doubt. Like parents, they protected us from the grimy things of the world, which would come soon enough.

[Indy Coug]

I thought the SP was very respectful and allowed Lyndon to say his peace. He challenged him on a couple of items, but allowed Lyndon to respond.

Another thing I found funny was Lyndon leaving behind charts for the disciplinary council as he left the building.

Because it's clear that Lyndon intended to record and disseminate this hearing, I'm curious how he would have really conducted himself in absence of a recording. It's obvious he's trying to protray himself as the kind, almost respectful conscientious objector.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Sounds like it. He probably wasn't doing it discretely.

You know how you are not supposed to bring up controversial things in sunday school? Like recently when my teacher said that the BoM was translated by the Urim and Thummim, and avoided any mention of peep stones and hats. Anyway, I bet her violated that.

Perhaps you are the most qualified here to relate the motivations behind Lamborn's yearning for the spotlight? He blankets the Net with videos of his anti-LDS rhetoric and employs the media to spread his word. Perish the thought one could walk away with their dignity intact.