Recording of an excommunication

[MikeWaters]

Failure to inoculate strikes again.

One thing that I noticed (and this is assuming this is an actual true recording and not a fraud) is that absolutely none of Lamborn's complaints are given any credence. Instead, the stake president, when he speaks, argues with him.

It seems terribly unproductive to argue. Maybe the Stake President was more concerned about defending the church in front of the other men.

Clearly, Lamborn wants to be excommunicated, I'm not arguing about that.

[Indy Coug]

There was no arguing in that clip.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

There was no arguing in that clip.

maybe it was in the 2nd and 3rd:

[Indy Coug]

So what's your opinion of someone secretly recording a disciplinary council and then posting it on the internet?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So what's your opinion of someone secretly recording a disciplinary council and then posting it on the internet?

I assume this violates protocol.

I think I can understand the desire to document the process and have an ace in the hole should a public dispute arise.

I think publishing it is an indication of his antipathy for the church. Or rather, a measure of his conviction as to the wrongness and corruption of the church.

Here's a bit more info about his excommunication:

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/98421

[BYU71]

My thoughts here are the disciplinary council should have hearkened back to their missionary days where they were advised not to Bible bash.

This fellow obviously no longer believes in the church. He got to have his say.

I would have said, brother we can still be friends. I have many friends who are non-LDS. I am not here to try to convince you you are wrong nor are you going to convince me I am wrong.

I am convinced you no longer believe in the church, quite the contrary you have strong feelings against the church. Hopefully we can both agree it is best for you to be express these views as a non-member of the church.

As friends we won't be discussing this anymore but can discuss things like BYU football. If you want to convince me your beliefs are correct and mine are wrong, you are welcome to come and knock on my door as a missionary for whatever church you end up in. I won't promise you I will let you in though in that capacity.

[scottie]

So was that guy ex'ed because he was telling other Church members facts about Church history?

[Indy Coug]

I just got a kick out of how Lyndon attempted to describe a spiritual witness, which somehow (in a way only known to him) was different than how he was told a spiritual witness was to feel.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by scottie

So was that guy ex'ed because he was telling other Church members facts about Church history?

It sounded to me like he was calling the church a corrupt organization and that he denied the church was true and denied that the Book of Mormon was the word of God. It went beyond simply being an alternative history teacher.

In any event, he was "exhilarated" not to be a member anymore, so it wasn't like he left the church kicking and screaming. The result he got was exactly what he wanted.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by scottie

So was that guy ex'ed because he was telling other Church members facts about Church history?

Sounds like it. He probably wasn't doing it discretely.

You know how you are not supposed to bring up controversial things in sunday school? Like recently when my teacher said that the BoM was translated by the Urim and Thummim, and avoided any mention of peep stones and hats. Anyway, I bet her violated that.