Top Ten Most Offensive Statements By LDS Church Leaders

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Solon

While I'm not a big fan of presentist judgment of the past, the 1960s aren't exactly ancient history. The effects of these beliefs and comments continue to plague the LDS church. Whether or not you believe in the LDS church, the ideas espoused in these comments are extremely offensive - especially since contemporary LDS leaders have not made a serious effort to repudiate them. That's inarguable, whether or not you "choose" to be offended.

You admit that the comments are "ignorant," but that word seems too tame to me. Would you prefer to describe this list as "extraordinarily and disgustingly repugnant" instead of "offensive"?

Some of the comments were made well after the 1960's, like SWK's. Moreover, the history is that secular sociaty had to hold a gun to Mormonism's head to get it to stop saying such things and putting such loathsome beliefs into practice. Then the Church leaders concocted a story about a revelation, defaming God Himself. Now, like smoky here, they pretend none of this happened. So failing to account and atone publically for the past imorality they continue to carry the stain. The Church remains a racist organization as long as this goes on.

[smokymountainrain]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

You said that the quotes were ignorant. They are much more than ignorant. They're racist. That kind of euphemism is a blatant defense.

I called them ignorant. Poor choice of words, possibly - but defending racism? Not a chance. I didn't say those quotes weren't racist. I simply chose other words to describe them. Those quotes are racist.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

I called them ignorant. Poor choice of words, possibly - but defending racism? Not a chance. I didn't say those quotes weren't racist. I simply chose other words to describe them. Those quotes are racist.

I guess you're not a racist anymore, in that case. But you're ignorant.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

I guess you're not a racist anymore, in that case. But you're ignorant.

You ignorantly called him a racist. Nicely done.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

So failing to account and atone publically for the past imorality they continue to carry the stain. The Church remains a racist organization as long as this goes on.

Yes and yes.

[smokymountainrain]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Let me ask you this, smoky: Is there anything that you would consider offensive? Anything? Give me an example.

Second question: Do you happen to be white?

Fair questions.

I think I can say with complete honesty that I've never been offended by the words of another individual. I do believe that my wife (and she would be the only one) could probably say something that might prompt me to take offense because I value her opinion and I respect her as a person so much. I wouldn't be proud of myself for allowing myself to feel offended, but it could probably happen.

I will also say that if I have been offended by the words of another person, it is most definitely a regrettable decision on my part.

I am white.

[MikeWaters]

Can we compare our list of shame with a different list?

10) "Over 100 years, I think the gradual erosion of the consensus that’s held our country together is probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." –Pat Robertson, on the dangers of judicial activism

9) "Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." –Pat Robertson

8) "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson

7) "I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld

6) "(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson

5) "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson

4) "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there." --Pat Robertson, after the city of Dover, Pennsylvania voted to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial

3) "God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke

2) "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

1) "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

Bonus Stupid Quote:

"Wait a minute, I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' and 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping." –Pat Robertson, clarifying his call to assassinate Hugo Chavez

Extra Bonus Stupid Quote:

"Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him." –Pat Robertson

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/f...trobertson.htm

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Fair questions.

I think I can say with complete honesty that I've never been offended by the words of another individual. I do believe that my wife (and she would be the only one) could probably say something that might prompt me to take offense because I value her opinion and I respect her as a person so much. I wouldn't be proud of myself for allowing myself to feel offended, but it could probably happen.

Suppose you had a black family living next to you and you were good friends with them. And you discovered that someone has planted a burning cross in their front lawn. Would you consider that offensive? Or just "ignorant" and "silly"?

Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

I will also say that if I have been offended by the words of another person, it is most definitely a regrettable decision on my part.

I am white.

So as a white person, you are not offended by racist comments? Swell for you.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Solon

Yes and yes.

The worst thing is how many Mormons still believe that stuff and that Jesus just changed his mind about excluding blacks. I bet an overwhelming majority do, including just about everyone from my parents' generation. It's not just harmless babbling from the distant past. Mormonism's leaders are happy to let their followers remain lost in the worst kind of abyss of ignorance. Of course.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Can we compare our list of shame with a different list?



http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/f...trobertson.htm

No contest. Yours is worse.