Falsely accused Duke players sue

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Agreed. If it's not about the money, then why sue for more than $5?

Would that be punishment?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Would that be punishment?

Maybe not, but there would be no doubt that it wasn't about the money. If there was precedent set - that the DA's office is sued and loses, even without money involved - wouldn't that discourage a prosecutor from being a jerk if he always has to spend time in court defending his work?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

I consider being at a party where there is a stripper and getting wasted to be shameful behavior (I also acknowedge that there are many people out there that probably don't consider it shameful at all). What I'm unclear on is how you consider that behavior to be "cruel"?

I think they got wasted and belittled the woman, humiliated her. I think that's cruel.

I think any civilized person would consider college boys kids hiring a stripper and then getting wasted to be shameful regardless of religious faith or political affiliation.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I think they got wasted and belittled the woman, humiliated her. I think that's cruel.

I think any civilized person would consider college boys kids hiring a stripper and then getting wasted to be shameful regardless of religious faith or political affiliation.

All of this is pure speculation.

I have no speculation as to what occurred. But if you're not religious, what's to stop you from hiring a stripper or two, especially if it's legal. Now a person shouldn't belittle another for plying one's trade.

However, I don't see anything inherently shameful about college boys getting wasted and watching a stripper. I only see it in light of religious tenets.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Would that be punishment?

You're far too cynical to believe that it's about punishment. It's about winning the lottery, cashing out on someone's else's mistake, living the American dream. I agree that people need to be punished. The prosecutor lost his job and was humiliated. He was punished. If you tell me that the players intend to donate the settlement money to some foundation and that lawyer intends to waive his fee, then you might begin to persuade me that it's not about the money.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

You're far too cynical to believe that it's about punishment. It's about winning the lottery, cashing out on someone's else's mistake, living the American dream. I agree that people need to be punished. The prosecutor lost his job and was humiliated. He was punished. If you tell me that the players intend to donate the settlement money to some foundation and that lawyer intends to waive his fee, then you might begin to persuade me that it's not about the money.

You misunderstand me.

To incentivize people to pursue the remedies to punish the bastard DA, there must be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

He deserves to be annihilated without mercy. And their pot of gold is the perfect incentive.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Archaea

All of this is pure speculation.

I have no speculation as to what occurred. But if you're not religious, what's to stop you from hiring a stripper or two, especially if it's legal. Now a person shouldn't belittle another for plying one's trade.

However, I don't see anything inherently shameful about college boys getting wasted and watching a stripper. I only see it in light of religious tenets.

I think I know better than you the environment that inevitably transpires at events like that. I don't want my sons getting wasted in college period. I really don't want them doing it and shouting lewd stuff at strippers (what always happens).

I'm a social drinker, and enjoy it. I've done things many here consider to be terrible sins that I don't regret, that are in fact great memories. But I've been truly "wasted" twice in my life. I could have done without it. In the end, it was just degrading. I am really opposed to a kid doing it in college and putting his whole life and future at risk.

You're so full of it.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You're full of it.

Full of what?

Businessmen from across the world go to strip joins here in Vegas. It's common fare. When I was recruited by a leading firm, I was taken in a Motor Home to LA to watch porn, strip joints and a baseball game. They finally ended that tradition when one of the partners got too wasted before entering the strip joint and grabbed the stripper.

I don't know what happens at college stripper parties but I do know what happens when upstanding citizens go to strip joints.

And prior to my joining the Church I was familiar with quite a few activities which would make members blush. Apparently I was wasted more than you. It just comes with the territory, part of American male bonding. If you invoke religious tradition it is socially wrong, but otherwise it is not.

For example, strip joints have the partially nude and totally nude. In the strip joints with partially nude, alcohol is allowed in totally nude, it's not, depending upon jurisdiction. In many of Vegas joints, there is an upper chamber where apparently other activities are allowed. I may be more familiar with Bacchanalian activities than you suppose.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Full of what?

Businessmen from across the world go to strip joins here in Vegas. It's common fare. When I was recruited by a leading firm, I was taken in a Motor Home to LA to watch porn, strip joints and a baseball game. They finally ended that tradition when one of the partners got too wasted before entering the strip joint and grabbed the stripper.

I don't know what happens at college stripper parties but I do know what happens when upstanding citizens go to strip joints.

And prior to my joining the Church I was familiar with quite a few activities which would make members blush. Apparently I was wasted more than you. It just comes with the territory, part of American male bonding. If you invoke religious tradition it is socially wrong, but otherwise it is not.

For example, strip joints have the partially nude and totally nude. In the strip joints with partially nude, alcohol is allowed in totally nude, it's not, depending upon jurisdiction. In many of Vegas joints, there is an upper chamber where apparently other activities are allowed. I may be more familiar with Bacchanalian activities than you suppose.

If you were recruiting partner with a major firm and took law clerks to a strip club you'd be fired. This has happened before and erupted into major scandals reported in the American Lawyer and the like. It has been extremely embarrasing to the firm involved who cut loose the involved partner to save its reputation wtih clients, law schools, judges, etc.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

If you were recruiting partner with a major firm and took law clerks to a strip club you'd be fired. This has happened before and erupted into major scandals reported in the American Lawyer and the like. It has been extremely embarrasing to the firm involved who cut loose the involved partner to save its reputation wtih clients, law schools, judges, etc.

Not in Vegas. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. This ended in the last ten years and had occurred for about twenty years. Offline I could provide you the name of the firm.

I was surprised they did it, but we do things a little differently here.

The same law firm, had a "cosmetic enhancement fund" for the trophy wives of the partners. The firm literally paid for nose jobs and boob augmentations.