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MikeWaters · 08-14-2007, 08:05 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/14...ain/index.html

What if this had been flipped on its head, would a man get just 7 months of jail for killing his wife?

Death Sentence

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But on the stand, Matthew Winkler described a hellish 10-year marriage during which, he said, his wife didn't clean house, was an awful cook, criticized him and blamed her when things went wrong. He said she refused to watch shows as tame as "Three's Company" and would infrequently agree to sex, and then not even really act like she wanted to be there those times.

7 months jail

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But on the stand, Mary Winkler described a hellish 10-year marriage during which, she said, her husband struck her, screamed at her, criticized her and blamed her when things went wrong. She said he made her watch pornography and wear "slutty" costumes for sex, and that he forced her to submit to sex acts that made her uncomfortable.

SeattleUte · 08-14-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/14...ain/index.html

What if this had been flipped on its head, would a man get just 7 months of jail for killing his wife?

Death Sentence

7 months jail

Try again. The only thing that offends me about this is that anyone got the death penalty.

MikeWaters · 08-14-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Try again. The only thing that offends me about this is that anyone got the death penalty.

No one got the death penalty. The first quote is made up.

Archaea · 08-14-2007, 08:29 PM

There is a chilling double standard in how women are prosecuted and penalized for murder of husbands and children, as compared to husbands and fathers.

A man is quickly given a death sentence but a woman is considered necessarily insane and let free.

MikeWaters · 08-14-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

There is a chilling double standard in how women are prosecuted and penalized for murder of husbands and children, as compared to husbands and fathers.

A man is quickly given a death sentence but a woman is considered necessarily insane and let free.

I have a friend whose mother killed her husband (his stepfather). He was her flame until he was sent away for murder. Then she got respectable and married my friend's father, and had a pretty ordinary life. Then this feller got out of prison and she divorced her original husband. They hooked up, had twins, and apparently he wasn't as nice as she thought he was going to be. So he was living in the back guest house. He knocked on the front door, and I think she shot him, or maybe stabbed him. When the police came he was in the driveway, and she was straddling him stabbing him. He died.

She was prosecuted, and acquitted. I don't know what exactly he did that made it ok to kill him (maybe he threatened to kill her? can you kill someone that threatens you)?

Well, FWIW, this guys' genes have been propagated.

SeattleUte · 08-14-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

There is a chilling double standard in how women are prosecuted and penalized for murder of husbands and children, as compared to husbands and fathers.

A man is quickly given a death sentence but a woman is considered necessarily insane and let free.

"Chilling double standard"? LOL. Not to me since I don't plan to kill anyone least of all a woman. Those words are kind of over the top unless those are your plans. It's not like that double standard will ever really matter to most of us.

Archaea · 08-14-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

"Chilling double standard"? LOL. Not to me since I don't plan to kill anyone least of all a woman. Those words are kind of over the top unless those are your plans. It's not like that double standard will ever really matter to most of us.

No, but if it trickles down to other types of crimes in which clients might be involved, then it could have an unintended impact.

DirtyHippieUTE · 08-15-2007, 12:13 AM

The double standard does trickle down... I spent the summer working in a domestic violence clinic.

In some states the cops have to take at least one person in to custody on a dv call. If they show up, somebody is going to jail. It's sort of a CYA thing. They'd hate to show up, leave, have somebody get killed, and then get sued for failing to prevent.

Anyway... How many women do you think get taken to jail?

The thing that really made me sick was the way some people would stroke the system. I'm not talking about the victims, I'm talking about the people who are just a little too zealous in helping the victims.

Somehow all of these victims manage to come before a judge and articulate in perfect legal terminology (an in a format following statute) exactly what they need to say in order to get a protective order. And does the judge sign the order?

Of course... Because it's all about CYA.

If a man got the hell beaten out of him by his wife and the neighbors called the police, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that she is going to be arrested and threatened with a PO. Even if the guy is 63 yrs old, 5'6" and married to a 6' 230 lb ex-con. I've seen it too many times.

I recognize that men are far more likely to be abusers than women, but the way the law is applied, it assumes that men are the only abusers and there is almost nothing in the law to punish women who abuse.

08-14-2007, 08:29 PM	#4
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08-15-2007, 12:13 AM	#8
DirtyHippieUTE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,151	The double standard does trickle down... I spent the summer working in a domestic violence clinic. In some states the cops have to take at least one person in to custody on a dv call. If they show up, somebody is going to jail. It's sort of a CYA thing. They'd hate to show up, leave, have somebody get killed, and then get sued for failing to prevent. Anyway... How many women do you think get taken to jail? The thing that really made me sick was the way some people would stroke the system. I'm not talking about the victims, I'm talking about the people who are just a little too zealous in helping the victims. Somehow all of these victims manage to come before a judge and articulate in perfect legal terminology (an in a format following statute) exactly what they need to say in order to get a protective order. And does the judge sign the order? Of course... Because it's all about CYA. If a man got the hell beaten out of him by his wife and the neighbors called the police, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that she is going to be arrested and threatened with a PO. Even if the guy is 63 yrs old, 5'6" and married to a 6' 230 lb ex-con. I've seen it too many times. I recognize that men are far more likely to be abusers than women, but the way the law is applied, it assumes that men are the only abusers and there is almost nothing in the law to punish women who abuse.