AP drops BYU from 15 to 18

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I think the BCS bias is not irrational, it's based on common sense. You won't see me whining because the polls don't treat Utah with the same deference as USC or Florida or Ohio State. If Florida narrowly escapes upset by a crappy team it's not the same as if Utah or BYU does. Your argument that BYU deserves the same deference as USC is funny as a crutch. You're just defeating your own argument by using USC-Washington as your example. You're parochial, narrow minded, and biased, like most BYU fans.

If you disagree with the USC example, fine, disagree. At least attempt to address Cal and Nebraska from last year as examples too.

You're just angry because you are voting for someone who doesn't believe in evolution. Don't vent your anger here.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You're just angry because you are voting for someone who doesn't believe in evolution. Don't vent your anger here.

Intellectual dishonesty can be very taxing.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

The UW game is a good example (as is UW v USC last year where USC moved up after a narrow win against UW, who was worse last year than they will be this year).

That's a bit of an extreme example, though, because you're not comparing to an average or prototypical BCS team. You're comparing to the premier team of the decade. USC is given more benefit of the doubt than any team in the nation, BYU included. The Trojans didn't even play this week and they picked up something like a dozen #1 votes.

Seattle's being a dork, but at the same time you're overstating things to suggest, "Oh! They dropped us! They must hate non-BCS schools!" It's not exactly a BCS/nonBCS thing. For example, if Kansas makes it up to the top five and then drops a game, they're going to be punished in the polls a lot more than Oklahoma or Texas would for dropping the same game. Not only are Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all BCS schools, but they're all in the same conference.

So it's not a BCS-nonBCS thing. It's just a preconception thing about which schools "should" be ranked where.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Intellectual dishonesty can be very taxing.

That's why I usually opt for plain old run of the mill dishonesty. It simplifies things.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

USC barely beat UW last year, and they didn't drop at all. BYU dropped because: 1) they are not a BCS team; and 2) ESPN made such a big deal out of the call at the end that people have the feeling BYU should have lost the game.

In reality, BYU was dominating offensively. Does anyone here think that even if the game went into OT that UW could have stopped BYU's offense from the 25? Even on the last drive of the game, UW had 3rd and long several times and one 4th down conversion. They moved the ball, but hardly at will like BYU did (see also BYU's 96 yard drive as another example which would have ended the game but for a very unfortunate fumble).

USC actually fell from 1 to 2 last year when they barely beat Washington.

[cougjunkie]

You really cant argue the drop, Oregon has to jump BYU just based on common opponents, East Carolina also jumps BYU based on beating 2 top 20 teams in consecutive weeks.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

You really cant argue the drop, Oregon has to jump BYU just based on common opponents, East Carolina also jumps BYU based on beating 2 top 20 teams in consecutive weeks.

Bingo. Oregon destroyed WA, even though it was at home.

BYU squeaked by WA.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

You really cant argue the drop, Oregon has to jump BYU just based on common opponents, East Carolina also jumps BYU based on beating 2 top 20 teams in consecutive weeks.

That makes sense. I'm going to "think Bronco" and not sweat this too much. The answer is to go and perform better this week.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

You really cant argue the drop, Oregon has to jump BYU just based on common opponents, East Carolina also jumps BYU based on beating 2 top 20 teams in consecutive weeks.

Let me add that we were tied with ASU and they beat Stanford 41-17 so I can see them jumping us as well. Thats 3 spots all justified.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

you're not comparing to an average or prototypical BCS team. You're comparing to the premier team of the decade. USC

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