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Old 07-16-2008, 05:39 PM   #41
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This statement being true I am having a hard time understanding what the dispute here is all about.
I agree. I don't know why ER and Lebowski are against criminalizing child abuse.
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:43 PM   #42
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I agree. I don't know why ER and Lebowski are against criminalizing child abuse.
Where the hell did I say that?
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Is there something to be said that the prosecution is part of a person's penance, even if they do not go to jail?

That is, it is part of repentance.
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:00 PM   #44
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Where the hell did I say that?
I was joking.
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:25 PM   #45
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If you were so negligent that the DA decides to try you and a jury decides to convict you, the only honorable thing to do is to kill yourself.
You have way too much faith in our criminal justice system and in the people who administer it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:34 PM   #46
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I've learned that you have to actually be a parent to have any opinion in regards to whether you think the parent should be held criminally negligent to leave a toddler in a boiling car for hours.
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I was joking.
Aha...

Well, here is the bottom line for me. Negligence obviously covers a wide spectrum. Someone not checking behind the back of the car before backing up is committing a form of negligence, but we are more forgiving because it is a short-term lapse with which most of us could identify. Not watching kids closely around a pool is another example. Forgetting a toddler in a car is higher up the scale, and perhaps some prosecution is warranted in this case, but I think the sentence was appropriate. I just don't see much point in a jail term in this case. This woman will suffer beyond anything you or I could imagine for the rest of her life. Makes me sick just to think about it.
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what about sending a bright kid to WSU because you are too cheap. Is that negligence?
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Well, here is the bottom line for me. Negligence obviously covers a wide spectrum. Someone not checking behind the back of the car before backing up is committing a form of negligence, but we are more forgiving because it is a short-term lapse with which most of us could identify. Not watching kids closely around a pool is another example. Forgetting a toddler in a car is higher up the scale, and perhaps some prosecution is warranted in this case, but I think the sentence was appropriate. I just don't see much point in a jail term in this case. This woman will suffer beyond anything you or I could imagine for the rest of her life. Makes me sick just to think about it.
I do agree that she probably shouldn't serve any jail time, but I don't think it compares to backing over a kid that you didn't place there to begin with. It's such an egregious lack of judgement and neglect.

I mean think about. Leaving them in a car for HOURS.....HOURS......how do you forget in blazing heat that you've left your toddler in a boiling car for HOURS on end? It's grossly negligent. How does one seriously excuse that? I can maybe....maybe see for a few minutes like some people have detailed in here from their personal experiences or from other people they know...but how do you explain away leaving a toddler in their for HOURS? Seriously, I'd like to know.

Having said that, I can't imagine the level of grief and personal suffering she'll endure the remainder of her days for her severe lack of judgement. I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy.
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I do agree that she probably shouldn't serve any jail time, but I don't think it compares to backing over a kid that you didn't place there to begin with. It's such an egregious lack of judgement and neglect.

I mean think about. Leaving them in a car for HOURS.....HOURS......how do you forget in blazing heat that you've left your toddler in a boiling car for HOURS on end? It's grossly negligent. How does one seriously excuse that? I can maybe....maybe see for a few minutes like some people have detailed in here from their personal experiences or from other people they know...but how do you explain away leaving a toddler in their for HOURS? Seriously, I'd like to know.

Having said that, I can't imagine the level of grief and personal suffering she'll endure the remainder of her days for her severe lack of judgement. I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy.
So we both agree that it was worse than the car example and she shouldn't get jail time. Case closed.
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