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Old 08-23-2007, 05:35 PM   #11
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So are you advocating staying out of Iran altogether? Or are you advocating fixing problems in every country?
I'm complaining about the fickle media men pointing cameras. Why is this photo news? Because it shows a man suffering? If that's the case they can find that news all over the world. Hell, they can probably walk to their local street corner and if they wait a few minutes they'll see somebody getting the hell beat out of them. There is no shortage of suffering in the world and the world press doesn't report most of it.

What bothers me is the fact that this is news not because of what happened but the fact that it happened in a country we're gearing up to hate.

Whether we "Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran" (think Beach Boys and that one is good) or not is another matter... I'm just sick of the way the media covers "news."
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:39 PM   #12
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I'm complaining about the fickle media men pointing cameras. Why is this photo news? Because it shows a man suffering? If that's the case they can find that news all over the world. Hell, they can probably walk to their local street corner and if they wait a few minutes they'll see somebody getting the hell beat out of them. There is no shortage of suffering in the world and the world press doesn't report most of it.

What bothers me is the fact that this is news not because of what happened but the fact that it happened in a country we're gearing up to hate.

Whether we "Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran" (think Beach Boys and that one is good) or not is another matter... I'm just sick of the way the media covers "news."
Do any of these other places you mention have deep connections to terrorists. In addition to that, are any of these places trying to make a bomb.

I agree, we probably don't care enough to act when brutality happens in other countries unless that psychology of brutality could be visited upon us later.

Seeing those men only frightens me if those same men with masks on sit next to a button that can send off a nuke.
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:44 PM   #13
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One guy gets the hell beat out of him in Iran... Do we care how many people had the same thing happen to them in China? Or do we care how many people are starving in other places where we might be able to go in and help without starting a war?
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The man was stuck by the the apparent futility of the task. There were far too many starfish. Many of them were sure to perish. As he approached the person continued the task of picking up starfish one by one and throwing them into the surf.
As he came up to the person he said, "You must be crazy. There are thousands of miles of beach covered with starfish. You can't possibly make a difference." The person looked at the man. He then stooped down and pick up one more starfish and threw it back into the ocean. He turned back to the man and said, "It sure made a difference to that one!"

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Seeing those men only frightens me if those same men with masks on sit next to a button that can send off a nuke.
That's kind of my point. The idea is to frighten. Nobody cares about the guy... He's just another media clip to paint a picture of Iran.

I want real news... I want somebody showing me the connection between these guys and the guys with the finger on the button. I want substance not emotion.
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That's kind of my point. The idea is to frighten. Nobody cares about the guy... He's just another media clip to paint a picture of Iran.

I want real news... I want somebody showing me the connection between these guys and the guys with the finger on the button. I want substance not emotion.
For me the connection is the belief system. A culture that would allow this in my mind is a culture that can push the button without much hesitation.

Quite frankly, this picture also reinforces a fear I would have if the far right wacko's ever got control in America.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:13 PM   #16
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Quite frankly, this picture also reinforces a fear I would have if the far right wacko's ever got control in America.
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:22 PM   #17
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As much as the subject matter of this photo bugs me, I have to admit the timing bugs me just about as much.

There have been human rights violations in Iran for as long as any of us can remember. It is only when the nation is starting to build up a case for hating Iran that we start seeing the media snapping and publishing pics.

One guy gets the hell beat out of him in Iran... Do we care how many people had the same thing happen to them in China? Or do we care how many people are starving in other places where we might be able to go in and help without starting a war?
Along this same vein, if one ges back and looks at the rhetoric about Iran in the late eighties-early nineties it was of the same variety. I remember seeing some of the Shiite celebrations where the men would cut themsleves along their hair line, and then leap around, chanting and slapping themselves on the cut so that they would get blood flowing. This was terrifying to me as a kid and I was very afraid of their extremist nature.

Fast forward to the election of the "reformist" Khatami in 97 or 98 or somewhere thereabouts and suddenly the rhetoric is about the influence of cable tv on the populace and how the clerics could be facing an uprising very soon. Which, of course, did not pan out. In reality Khatami reformed very little, and while his was a more soothing presence than Ahmadinejad the real powers Khameni(sic) never changed and the clerics were still firmly in charge.

Looking at those seperate portrayals of what was essentially the same governmental structure cause me to wonder about the motives of whomever posted these pictures. What they portray is disgusting, but do they enlighten us un any way related to the foreign policy intent of Iran? Do they shed new light on the intentions and inner workings of the regime? No. They are as old as the revolution.
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For me the connection is the belief system. A culture that would allow this in my mind is a culture that can push the button without much hesitation.

Quite frankly, this picture also reinforces a fear I would have if the far right wacko's ever got control in America.
Really? Cause I'm not seeing it.

In my experience through people I've talked with and things I've read, the evangelical far-right types basically want to take us back to the 1950's (you know, your hey day ), minus the oppression of black folk. They want abortion outlawed, prayer and the Bible in schools, and less porn. Maybe not what we want for this country, but it's certainly not Iranian style mullahcracy.

Maybe there are some on the far-far-far right who would want some sort of theocracy for the U.S., but their numbers are so miniscule that there's no chance of them "taking over".
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I'm complaining about the fickle media men pointing cameras. Why is this photo news? Because it shows a man suffering? If that's the case they can find that news all over the world. Hell, they can probably walk to their local street corner and if they wait a few minutes they'll see somebody getting the hell beat out of them. There is no shortage of suffering in the world and the world press doesn't report most of it.

What bothers me is the fact that this is news not because of what happened but the fact that it happened in a country we're gearing up to hate.

Whether we "Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran" (think Beach Boys and that one is good) or not is another matter... I'm just sick of the way the media covers "news."
How would you prefer this being handled then? Not at all?
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How would you prefer this being handled then? Not at all?
I guess I'd like to see more important things in the news. I think reporting on small incidents like this is lazy journalism. Do some in depth work, tell me what is going on all over.

Blurbs like this are like reporting on a single play in a football game. It may make a nice highlight reel section but not a news story.
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