It's obvious some of you get a rush

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by All-American

And how do you respond to people who are out to kill you?

You acknowledged that history "is repeating itself now." Are you likewise able to find a solution? And just for fun, could you find it from the Book of Mormon?

I already stated there isn't a perfect solution, but I do know that we can't REACT to what's happening. I think the pro-active approach to stemming another disastrous terrorist attack on American Soil thus far is working.

Will it work forever? I don't think so. Most believe it's only inevitable before an attack on our soil occurs on a much larger scale.

If pre-emptive and strategic attacks on terrorist camps, locations, and variety of carried out plans occur then I'm fine with that, but I'm no military strategic expert.

I just don't understand the mind set of those who think we should just sit back, have a stogie and watch things happen. It's that kind of attitude that prevents us from preventing 9/11's.

Instead, we'll have people who'll justify terrorists doing what they are.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Discussing options, contemplating consequences before taking actions shouldn't be viewed as "sitting idly by doing nothing".

In light of the many problems over there, it seems more rational to review carefully the options, lay out a plan and to follow it.

I don't know about you, but sending sons and daughters to war is NOT appealing. My children are approaching that age and I hope they do not choose that profession, honorable as it truly is. I want to see them grow up old with grandchildren of their own. I'm selfish that way.

Moreover, I do not want for myself, or for anybody I know, to become good at killing. Killing, even in defense, should be an abhorrent thing, done out of necessity. To desensitize that feeling would be a travesty IMHO.

We should take cautious actino whenever the lives of our sons and daughters are involved.

I completely agree with you. I don't want my brother who is about to go on his 2nd tour to the Middle East to be hurt or killed. It would be devastating.

I'm glad my nephew who just returned from Afghanistan wasn't hurt or killed.

I'm also proud as hell of them.

[fusnik11]

I don't get what you want people to do.

Do you want people to say that muslims are evil people and need to be killed before they kill us?

[All-American]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I already stated there isn't a perfect solution, but I do know that we can't REACT to what's happening. I think the pro-active approach to stemming another disastrous terrorist attack on American Soil thus far is working.

Will it work forever? I don't think so. Most believe it's only inevitable before an attack on our soil occurs on a much larger scale.

If pre-emptive and strategic attacks on terrorist camps, locations, and variety of carried out plans occur then I'm fine with that, but I'm no military strategic expert.

I just don't understand the mind set of those who think we should just sit back, have a stogie and watch things happen. It's that kind of attitude that prevents us from preventing 9/11's.

Instead, we'll have people who'll justify terrorists doing what they are.

I'm not justifying the acts of terrorists. I am saying that we have more ability to change our actions than their actions. I am also saying the solutions are not as unrealistic as we try to make them-- it is simply the cost of peace that we are not willing to pay.

It will be a wonderful day when the Star Spangled Banner is an internationally recognized symbol of not only freedom and prosperity, but of peace.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by All-American

I'm not justifying the acts of terrorists. I am saying that we have more ability to change our actions than their actions. I am also saying the solutions are not as unrealistic as we try to make them-- it is simply the cost of peace that we are not willing to pay.

It will be a wonderful day when the Star Spangled Banner is an internationally recognized symbol of not only freedom and prosperity, but of peace.

How do you have peace when tens of millions of Radical Muslims want you dead?

Lay your weapon down so to speak if you wish, but I choose to remain vigilant.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

I don't get what you want people to do.

Do you want people to say that muslims are evil people and need to be killed before they kill us?

I've yet to read a single line where anyone made the generalization that muslims are evil people.

That 10-15% which constitutes tens of millions that believe in Radical Islam and espouse the murder of anyone who doesn't believe as them? Then hell yes that 10-15% is purely satanic.

[fusnik11]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I've yet to read a single line where anyone made the generalization that muslims are evil people.

That 10-15% which constitutes tens of millions that believe in Radical Islam and espouse the murder of anyone who doesn't believe as them? Then hell
yes that 10-15% is purely satanic.

Who came up with the 10-15% figure?

If it was that high and roughly 100-150 million people were walking around with Jihad on their mind I would assume that 9/11 would have occurred monthly and we'd be in a full on world war.

I know plenty of muslims, I know some of the most prominant Utahn muslim leaders, I have been to their parties, I have talked with them, and never once was I threatened, or made to feel afraid.

Are there a large group of them that are full of hate, bigotry, and irrationality? Yes there is, do we solve the problem with more violence towards them? I don't think we do.

[The Borg]

[quote=fusnik11]
I know plenty of muslims, I know some of the most prominant Utahn muslim leaders, I have been to their parties, I have talked with them, and never once was I threatened, or made to feel afraid. quote]

Question for you fus: Since you rub shoulders with some influential Muslim leaders here in Utah, what has been their reaction to the terrorist attacks on the US, Spain, London, etc.? Do they come out and condemn such acts?...publicly or privately? Do they publicly decry to their members against such extremism...or do they remain remain silent?

A silent voice is a voice of support in my books.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

How do you have peace when tens of millions of Radical Muslims want you dead?

Lay your weapon down so to speak if you wish, but I choose to remain vigilant.

Same way you have peace when X number of radical lamanites want you dead. Figure it out.

[fusnik11]

Originally Posted by The Borg

Question for you fus: Since you rub shoulders with some influential Muslim leaders here in Utah, what has been their reaction to the terrorist attacks on the US, Spain, London, etc.? Do they come out and condemn such acts?...publicly or privately? Do they publicly decry to their members against such extremism...or do they remain remain silent?

A silent voice is a voice of support in my books.

I was on my mission when the terrorist attacks occurred on 9/11, the muslims in my parents community, (two families live within .25 mile of my parents home, one family the father is a financial analysist for the state of Utah, his wife a professor, the other is one of the lead engineers for Thiokol, his wife works as a professor and does business consulting, both families live in 500 k plus houses, drive nice cars etc) called together a meeting to pronounce their beliefs, and show how their beliefs ran contrary to what occurred in New York. They were worried about the backlash in the community and wanted to show how much they loved everybody, America, and also their religion. Both families are emigrants families.

The same thing occurred after the attacks in Spain.

This inspite of both families have being targeted by Homeland Security.