The Obama Judiciary

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

If we could get back to the point (AHEM) ...

As you know, the Dale case was not about boys having sex with scoutmasters, but about the right of the Boy Scouts--a private organization--to determine who they let into their association and who they don't. Another Obama liberal on that court would've made it a 5-4 in favor of Dale, and would've destroyed the Boy Scouts, not to mention a very important right that is actually IN the Constitution.

You mean another Obama liberal on the Court who would replace one of the liberals who voted for Dale anyways? Maybe math isn't your strong point either. That would still lead to 5-4, working on the assumption (which is quite presumptuous) that the "liberal" would vote against Dale.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

You haven't made an argument that it isn't. The issue is not the definition of bigotry but your stated reason why the BSA would be "destroyed".

I said the BSA would be destroyed because I think a significant number of churches and individuals who participate in the program would withdraw support. I don't think that's de facto bigotry.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Again, you are being purposely obtuse (surprise!). I agree it was the right legal decision. But it is a shame that it had to come on a case like this. This is a hollow victory.

No, not obtuse. You apparently would be at peace with the case had it been about promiscuity than just orientation, because somehow in your brain, one is bigoted and the other isn't.

If we followed that logic, the entire freedom to associate is just constitutional bigotry.

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You mean another Obama liberal on the Court who would replace one of the liberals who voted for Dale anyways?

No.

[Ma'ake]

This whole issue is a bit of a red herring.

I know gay men who I'd absolutely trust with one of my sons in a scoutmaster role. Moral, decent, open, non-predatory.

On the other hand, one of the top executives of the Boy Scouts of America was caught with child porn on his computer.

I'd prefer somebody who is open & honest, with nothing to hide or be ashamed of, than one who hides in the organization, speaking one way but is a closet pedophile in private.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

I'd prefer somebody who is open & honest, with nothing to hide or be ashamed of, than one who hides in the organization, speaking one way but is a closet pedophile in private.

ANother red herring. All pedophiles tend to be secretive about it, don't they? (I asume you don't mena you prefer or would accept open pedophiles)

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

I'd prefer somebody who is open & honest, with nothing to hide or be ashamed of, than one who hides in the organization, speaking one way but is a closet pedophile in private.

As opposed to all the rest of us bigots who prefer dishonest, public pedophiles.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by exUte

the hen house. Most gay men are pedophiles and perverts. Sounds like you caught the gay.........hook line and sinker.

No you can't be my son's scoutmaster. Sorry.

Okay. I know I'm slow, but I finally figured out that you are being sarcastic. Are you making fun of Tex? You pushed it a little far. Compared to your act, Tex is an extreme liberal.

How about posting honestly and let us get to know the real you.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

This whole issue is a bit of a red herring.

I know gay men who I'd absolutely trust with one of my sons in a scoutmaster role. Moral, decent, open, non-predatory.

On the other hand, one of the top executives of the Boy Scouts of America was caught with child porn on his computer.

I'd prefer somebody who is open & honest, with nothing to hide or be ashamed of, than one who hides in the o.rganization, speaking one way but is a closet pedophile in private.

Exactly. The BSA rule is to kick out openly gay scoutmasters. They are the last people you need to worry about. And most scout troops have open enrollment within a community. Those not comfortable with a gay scoutmaster could pick a different troop.

And Tex's BS about gays trying to infiltrate LDS troops is absurd. What on earth would be the motivation? Gays aren't the ones that fired the first shot that started the legal battle. It was the BSA that kicked out a gay assistant scoutmaster. He was quietly and efficiently serving his troop. it was a witchhunt.

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

you really think Obama will appoint activists who will forward his agenda from the bench?

That's what Bush did. Why not give Obama a turn?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

And Tex's BS about gays trying to infiltrate LDS troops is absurd. What on earth would be the motivation? Gays aren't the ones that fired the first shot that started the legal battle. It was the BSA that kicked out a gay assistant scoutmaster. He was quietly and efficiently serving his troop. it was a witchhunt.

Your butt looks really big with your head in the sand.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Your butt looks really big with your head in the sand.

You are oddly comfortable describing another man's butt in a thread about homosexuality, particularly when you picture the man as being bent over.

Are you a scoutmaster?