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Cali Coug · 05-07-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Will he get less then 40% of the white vote when Republicans and Libertarians are thrown into the mix?

Overall? No. The Dem turnout is going to be gigantic this fall. Republicans are hugely underestimating the energy this adminstration has generated in favor of the Democratic party. Take a look at early congressional elections in Illinois (Hastert's seat), Louisiana (a Rep +10 district) and now Mississippi (a Rep. + 13 district) for a sign of things to come. Republicans lost in Illinois and LA already, and they lost in MS and only avoided a runoff vote there by 400 votes! Cole is being threatened with losing his job with the NRCC and Boehner is feeling pressure too. McCain is hardly the candidate of energy, has no knowledge (of his own admission on multiple occasions) about the economy, the #1 issue right now, and can't seem to get the base all that excited to vote. TEXAS is on the verge of going Democrat right now!

This could be a tidal wave election. Republicans beware.

Archaea · 05-07-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Overall? No. The Dem turnout is going to be gigantic this fall. Republicans are hugely underestimating the energy this adminstration has generated in favor of the Democratic party. Take a look at early congressional elections in Illinois (Hastert's seat), Louisiana (a Rep +10 district) and now Mississippi (a Rep. + 13 district) for a sign of things to come. Republicans lost in Illinois and LA already, and they lost in MS and only avoided a runoff vote there by 400 votes! Cole is being threatened with losing his job with the NRCC and Boehner is feeling pressure too. McCain is hardly the candidate of energy, has no knowledge (of his own admission on multiple occasions) about the economy, the #1 issue right now, and can't seem to get the base all that excited to vote. TEXAS is on the verge of going Democrat right now!

This could be a tidal wave election. Republicans beware.

We'll hold you to your prognostications and you'll be forced to attend all of our funerals if your dire predictions come true. Heaven help us that you are wrong, because I really don't want to live to see the day Obama socialism takes over. If I had other options, I'd be in Monaco in nanosecond to avoid such a calamity.

BYU71 · 05-07-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

We'll hold you to your prognostications and you'll be forced to attend all of our funerals if your dire predictions come true. Heaven help us that you are wrong, because I really don't want to live to see the day Obama socialism takes over. If I had other options, I'd be in Monaco in nanosecond to avoid such a calamity.

Rather than advising my grandkids to try to earn and make money, I will advise them to go into fields that are funded by the government. Get good pay, a good retirement plan and plenty of vacation days and holidays.

Let someone else take the chances and risks.

il Padrino Ute · 05-07-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

I think Obama is a solid candidate. He is a solid liberal candidate. Much in the line of Mondale, Carter, Dukakis and Kerry.

I wish the dems and media would gut it up and tell the American public, we want you to take a chance on a liberal, not let's vote for the "black" guy.

If Obama were white and McCain was black, I wouldn't hesitate in the least bit to vote for McCain.

As much as some would like to call people names who won't vote for Obama, his liberalism is his main problem.

Agreed. It's a shame that those on the left choose to ignore that it's Obama's politics that will prevent a large segment of the voters to not vote for him.

MikeWaters · 05-07-2008, 07:43 PM

byu71's logic: because I am not a racist, no one else is.

BYU71 · 05-07-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

byu71's logic: because I am not a racist, no one else is.

C'mon Mike. I believe there are racists. I believe they will not vote for Obama because of it and that is sad. You and I disagree on how large in numbers they are.

I think they aren't a big group and you see them around every corner.

Archaea · 05-07-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

Rather than advising my grandkids to try to earn and make money, I will advise them to go into fields that are funded by the government. Get good pay, a good retirement plan and plenty of vacation days and holidays.

Let someone else take the chances and risks.

That's probably a good idea. I shall henceforth advise my kids to pursue government jobs, not to rock the boat and to ask for more than they give. Then they'll feel more at home with Obama than I.

And then they can enjoy the Obama circlejerk is giving Cali such an orgasm.

Tex · 05-07-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

This could be a tidal wave election. Republicans beware.

Right. Like 2002, 2004, and 2006. Two were categorical Republican victories, and the other was a narrow Democrat victory.

Beware indeed.

BlueK · 05-07-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

BYU71 pointed out that he can't be a uniter if he can only attract the black vote and the under 30 vote.

It means to me, that by selecting a moderate in McCain, the Republicans may still have a chance. For some reason, we struck upon a potentially winning formula in a losing year.

I've been to several high profile campaign schools in Washington, and one statistic that I remember is the forty percent rule, which holds that any Presidential candidate from either party starts off with 40%. The candidates are merely vying for the middle 20%. You do that with enough cross-over issues to attract the middle.

What cross over policies does Obama have? None.

The reason he should win is that Bush has so f...ed it up for Republicans it takes a miraculous failure for Democrats to lose. And they may have just concocted the formula failure yet again.

I've started thinking McCain could very well win in light of polls that show there is increasing animosity within the dems and that a significant portion of Hillary supporters say they'd rather vote for McCain. Since McCain is a moderate it's not inconceivable you could see a lot of them cross party lines.

MikeWaters · 05-07-2008, 08:39 PM

It warms my heart to see a Clinton destroy the Democratic party. Just like her husband did, when he caused the GOP to take over the House and Senate.

Just when Bush has finished destroying the GOP, Hillary rolls in and destroys the Dems.

There is some serious irony here.

05-07-2008, 07:43 PM	#35
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	byu71's logic: because I am not a racist, no one else is.

05-07-2008, 08:39 PM	#40
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It warms my heart to see a Clinton destroy the Democratic party. Just like her husband did, when he caused the GOP to take over the House and Senate. Just when Bush has finished destroying the GOP, Hillary rolls in and destroys the Dems. There is some serious irony here.