C'mon Obama, we weren't born yesterday

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Whether or not he agrees is irrelevant at this point. His continued association with Mr. Wright as well as appointing him to a position in his campaign raises big questions Obama's judgement.

A better vetting process might have been in order.

Oh please. With such a silly statement, you have disqualified every single politician in America from the presidency. Do you honestly believe McCain hasn't appointed intolerant individuals in his campaign? Look at his association with Jerry Falwell for starters.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

It seems worse to me that McCain would do that, knowing what those universities stand for (he articulated what they stand for in 2000- racism and intolerance) than it is that Obama attended a church with no proof that he realized the depth of intolerance of his pastor.

Well then, Obama must be the most clueless man in America.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Ok, you're not criticizing McCain himself, but you are playing the "his pastor is a dickhead too" game.

Yes- to point out the total stupidity of the game (which could be played with McCain, Romney, Bush, Reagan, Clinton and anyone else in modern history). Obama has rejected Wright's comments. Get back to me when he endorses them.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

Well then, Obama must be the most clueless man in America.

You didn't even attempt to respond with respect to McCain. At least try to have an honest conversation.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

It is "weak" because it doesn't support your ridiculously narrow view of the topic.

Does it matter that McCain spoke at Liberty University, a university run by Jerry Falwell (need I remind you what he has said?) or that he noted he would accept an invitation to speak at Bob Jones University if invited? It seems worse to me that McCain would do that, knowing what those universities stand for (he articulated what they stand for in 2000- racism and intolerance) than it is that Obama attended a church with no proof that he realized the depth of intolerance of his pastor.

Wow, you are really playing a good game tonight Cali.

It's worse that McCain would speak at those universities because of their hateful views, than it is that Obama associates with a man who is just as bigoted because there's no proof that Obama didn't realize what a bigot Wright is?

How could he not know?

Thanks for the laugh. It helped to ease the tension.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Wow, you are really playing a good game tonight Cali.

It's worse that McCain would speak at those universities because of their hateful views, than it is that Obama associates with a man who is just as bigoted because there's no proof that Obama didn't realize what a bigot Wright is?

How could he not know?

Thanks for the laugh. It helped to ease the tension.

Yes, it is.

As the facts are known:

Situation 1: Person knows an organization is hateful and racist, then accepts their invitation to speak and accepts the endorsement of the promoter of the organization.

Situation 2: Person does not know extent of racist and hateful statements made, is affiliated with that organization, discovers extent of statements, disavows statements.

Why is it so funny that situation 2 isn't as bad as situation 1?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Yes, it is.

As the facts are known:

Situation 1: Person knows an organization is hateful and racist, then accepts their invitation to speak and accepts the endorsement of the promoter of the organization.

Situation 2: Person does not know extent of racist and hateful statements made, is affiliated with that organization, discovers extent of statements, disavows statements.

Why is it so funny that situation 2 isn't as bad as situation 1?

It's funny because you are trying to justify Obama being associated with a known bigot.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You didn't even attempt to respond with respect to McCain. At least try to have an honest conversation.

This was a conversation about Obama and his poor judgement and outright preveracations. I can see why you and Sooner want to change the subject.

[hyrum]

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

Is his pastor completely wrong when he says our nation is controlled by rich white people?

When one says that as an excuse for why black people cannot elevate their social/financial status it is utter BS. There are a lot of poor people, including immigrants who started with no money and knowing barely a word of English, who have done quite well for themselves and their families.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by hyrum

When one says that as an excuse for why black people cannot elevate their social/financial status it is utter BS. There are a lot of poor people, including immigrants who started with no money and knowing barely a word of English, who have done quite well for themselves and their families.

I disagree.

I don't think it's fair to compare people who were enslaved and beaten down by jim crow laws to immigrants. Even today, whites are more likely to mistreat or fear blacks than to mistreat Chinese or German or even Mexican immigrants.