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TripletDaddy · 12-12-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm arguing about what should be done.

Not about where we fail to do what we should do.

The principle is I will not cheat on my wife. If I am in a room full of Redskin cheerleaders, all nekid, that principle doesn't change.

If in the light of day, you can't formulate what is right, then you will fail when the darkness comes.

red skinned cheerleaders? gross.

MikeWaters · 12-12-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

You seem ot be arguing against some position that no one here is talking. TO whom is this directed?

Him for one:

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Originally Posted by jay santos

This isn't really that tough for me morally and ethically. We nearly all agree it is moral and ethical to kill to save and protect others, so once you're OK with killing, it doesn't seem so hard to accept everything up to killing as well.

Tex · 12-12-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

We all have choices. But we face consequences.

Sure, murder and rape to save your family. But don't expect that you will be spared punishment, both temporal and eternal.

I don't think it is a very good bargain, myself, to trade this earth for the eternities.

But be my guest.

Heh. I'm bookmarking this response for the next time Mike calls me judgmental.

MikeWaters · 12-12-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Heh. I'm bookmarking this response for the next time Mike calls me judgmental.

Yeah, I'll go on record as saying God doesn't approve of murder and rape.

I'll take my odds on that one.

Indy Coug · 12-12-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Yeah, I'll go on record as saying God doesn't approve of murder and rape.

I'll take my odds on that one.

Like lopping off Laban's head?

creekster · 12-12-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I don't think it is a very good bargain, myself, to trade this earth for the eternities.

The suicide bombers agree withyou, btw.

MikeWaters · 12-12-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Like lopping off Laban's head?

I think Nephi existed. I also think Nephi paid a terrible price for what he did. And his account in the BoM is evidence of it.

Indy Coug · 12-12-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think Nephi existed. I also think Nephi paid a terrible price for what he did. And his account in the BoM is evidence of it.

What in the world is that supposed to mean?

jay santos · 12-12-2007, 04:23 PM

Mike, here's where I'm coming from.

The question is not whether I would rape a 6 year old girl to save my family. That would entail brutalizing an innocent child. It also would entail my family living with the knowledge and guilt that the saving of their lives caused that horrible act. Would I do it? I don't know, but my gut feeling is that probably I wouldn't. Don't hang me for being indecisive because it's very difficult to process that decision.

The decision is whether to torture someone in a terrorist or war or possibly even criminal situation where someone is opposing you and has information that could save lives. In a war you kill people. You even kill innocent people. If you've made the commitment to go to war and kill, you've made the commitment to do some other dirty deeds along the way. The person with the information is a criminal or a war enemy. They are not the 6 year old innocent girl. They are the opposition and they have the ability to save themselves from torture and worse by offering up the information freely.

There are some tough ethical issues, but torturing in a terrorist or war situation is not really one for me. I doubt I could be the one personally to do it, but I wouldn't prohibit our government from doing it.

MikeWaters · 12-12-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

What in the world is that supposed to mean?

I'm saying the Laban account is written by a man who was haunted by what he did, and felt he had to carefully justify his actions.

12-12-2007, 04:23 PM	#49
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	Mike, here's where I'm coming from. The question is not whether I would rape a 6 year old girl to save my family. That would entail brutalizing an innocent child. It also would entail my family living with the knowledge and guilt that the saving of their lives caused that horrible act. Would I do it? I don't know, but my gut feeling is that probably I wouldn't. Don't hang me for being indecisive because it's very difficult to process that decision. The decision is whether to torture someone in a terrorist or war or possibly even criminal situation where someone is opposing you and has information that could save lives. In a war you kill people. You even kill innocent people. If you've made the commitment to go to war and kill, you've made the commitment to do some other dirty deeds along the way. The person with the information is a criminal or a war enemy. They are not the 6 year old innocent girl. They are the opposition and they have the ability to save themselves from torture and worse by offering up the information freely. There are some tough ethical issues, but torturing in a terrorist or war situation is not really one for me. I doubt I could be the one personally to do it, but I wouldn't prohibit our government from doing it.