Who would place Reagan as our best president

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

It's not even close.

Bush is a disaster, but Carter gave us double digit inflation (with the help of a Democrat controlled Congress), an energy crisis that actually affected people (long lines because some gas stations didn't have any gas) and SALT II. And there were no terrorists attacks during his term, let alone the first 10 months of that term, nor were there political opponents nearly as vicious as those Bush has to deal with and no cable news. Had there been as many media outlets then, Carter would have felt the wrath that Bush feels (and Bush deserves it all).

I will give Carter credit in that he opened the door for Reagan.

Carter, LBJ whom most know nothing of, and Kennedy was also plummeting at the time of his death. He's popular now, but he barely one election and his popularity was not good due to a number of unpopular decisions.

Clinton had some popularity but many of his policies were divisive.

I forget about Ike, but other than the slogan "I like Ike", I can't remember much.

I'd say, Carter, LBJ and then Bush. People forget what a mess LBJ created in Vietnam. Nixon was a lousy economic president but remember him fondly for opening up China.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Carter, LBJ whom most know nothing of, and Kennedy was also plummeting at the time of his death. He's popular now, but he barely one election and his popularity was not good due to a number of unpopular decisions.

Clinton had some popularity but many of his policies were divisive.

I forget about Ike, but other than the slogan "I like Ike", I can't remember much.

I'd say, Carter, LBJ and then Bush. People forget what a mess LBJ created in Vietnam. Nixon was a lousy economic president but remember him fondly for opening up China.

Kennedy is only considered good because he was assassinated. LBJ created the mess in Vietnam because Kennedy put us there. I'm old enough to remember Nixon resigning, but after learning about his term, have decided that he wasn't a bad president because of Watergate, but because of economics. He did bring home the POWs though, so that is a good thing.

Clinton was the best politician I've ever seen and that isn't a good thing.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Kennedy is only considered good because he was assassinated. LBJ created the mess in Vietnam because Kennedy put us there. I'm old enough to remember Nixon resigning, but after learning about his term, have decided that he wasn't a bad president because of Watergate, but because of economics. He did bring home the POWs though, so that is a good thing.

Clinton was the best politician I've ever seen and that isn't a good thing.

A few posts back I asserted that JFK really wasnt that great of a President. I still stand by this assertion. His greatest legacies are either politicla failures, fashion, or associations with women. His legacy today benefits more from nostalgia than actual accomplishment.

However, in an effort to be balanced, he eventually became pro-active in Civil Rights....although he didnt draft the proposal, his brother did. Whoops, there went my balance!

Perhaps Kennedy's biggest contribution to society was to serve as the inspiration for "Mayor Quimby."

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I hated Carter when he was president. But I think I hate Bush more.

You're right. It's probably at least partially due to the length of the terms.

Put 25 years between you and GWB, and I'll bet you feel differently.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Tex

Put 25 years between you and GWB, and I'll bet you feel differently.

Unless Bush takes some remedial English courses over the next 25 years, I doubt I will feel differently.

And for the record, 25 years isnt nearly enough distance between me and that fool. He is the best candidate conservative Reps could come up with? There are no smarter, more engaging leaders in the ranks than him?

The biggest critic of W should be his brother, Jeb. But for W's moronic incompetency and unparalled negative perception across the globe and within his own party, Jeb was a legitimate Presidential candidate.

Now, due to Bush Shock, Jeb's political career is largely over.

I cant help but think that at the next family reunion, when the two brothers are sitting on the porch sipping lemonade, sitting in wicker chairs, looking out towards the horizon into a beautiful Maine sunset, and silently pondering their respective pasts accomplishments and future opportunities, Jeb turns to his brother and says, "Thanks a lot, a-hole."

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Perhaps Kennedy's biggest contribution to society was to serve as the inspiration for "Mayor Quimby."

I guess I could give Kennedy a break, because as my Mom, who really does try to see the best in everyone, told me "Pres. Kennedy was having back problems. It would be tough to have to make decisions for an entire country when you're feeling miserable."

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Unless Bush takes some remedial English courses over the next 25 years, I doubt I will feel differently.

And for the record, 25 years isnt nearly enough distance between me and that fool. He is the best candidate conservative Reps could come up with? There are no smarter, more engaging leaders in the ranks than him?

The biggest critic of W should be his brother, Jeb. But for W's moronic incompetency and unparalled negative perception across the globe and within his own party, Jeb was a legitimate Presidential candidate.

Now, due to Bush Shock, Jeb's political career is largely over.

I cant help but think that at the next family reunion, when the two brothers are sitting on the porch sipping lemonade, sitting in wicker chairs, looking out towards the horizon into a beautiful Maine sunset, and silently pondering their respective pasts accomplishments and future opportunities, Jeb turns to his brother and says, "Thanks a lot, a-hole."

I agree about Bush being a less than competent candidate. But what does that say about the liberals, who put Gore and Kerry up against him?

Wow.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I cant help but think that at the next family reunion, when the two brothers are sitting on the porch sipping lemonade, sitting in wicker chairs, looking out towards the horizon into a beautiful Maine sunset, and silently pondering their respective pasts accomplishments and future opportunities, Jeb turns to his brother and says, "Thanks a lot, a-hole."

This would be a good SNL short. Will Farrell as Jeb.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I agree about Bush being a less than competent candidate. But what does that say about the liberals, who put Gore and Kerry up against him?

Wow.

Gore won.

It took Supreme Court intervention for Bush to finally claim the presidency. Hail to the Thief!

Kerry was done in by the genius of most recent geniuses, Karl Rove. Kerry was looking good until Swift Boat became an issue. Karl Rove is a brilliant strategist, and I mean that sincerely. No joke.

Dems will have the last laugh in 2008 when a Lesbian takes office. It will be sweet when Monica Lewinsky becomes the first person to have an affair with 2 different Presidents in the Oval office....

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I agree about Bush being a less than competent candidate. But what does that say about the liberals, who put Gore and Kerry up against him?

Wow.

Yeah, as bad as they want to say he is (and he's giving them plenty of ammunition), they're 0-2 against him.

Gore, Kerry, now those would have been real disasters.