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[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Maybe that is why I never got to excited about liberals and their way of thinking.

Here you go again finding more common ground. I don't like the Liberal (if by Liberal you mean Democrat) way of thinking either. I'm about as Libertarian as they come.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

That's our common ground. Iran is looking out for #1 and so are we. It doesn't change the fact that Iran most likely wouldn't be a problem if the region wouldn't have been destabilized.

I believe Iran has been a problem long before the region was "destabilized" (as though what was there previously could be called stable).

As to the common ground: there is the minor detail of Iran being totalitarianistic oppressors and human rights violaters, but ahhh .... who cares about that. It's all sixes.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Tex

Of course there's a double standard. America holds huge moral high ground over every other country out there.

You forgot the "tic".

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

You forgot the "tic".

No, I didn't. America is the greatest country on earth and in history, certainly superior in every way to Iran.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by BlueHair

Here you go again finding more common ground. I don't like the Liberal (if by Liberal you mean Democrat) way of thinking either. I'm about as Libertarian as they come.

Maybe I have to read up on libertarians. What do they believe in. Sitting on the sidelines doing nothing and hope everything turns out OK.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Tex

I believe Iran has been a problem long before the region was "destabilized" (as though what was there previously could be called stable).

As to the common ground: there is the minor detail of Iran being totalitarianistic oppressors and human rights violaters, but ahhh .... who cares about that. It's all sixes.

How is it our problem that Iran's government oppresses? I'm not a Constitution Scholar, but I don't remember any part that says it's the mission of the US government to ensure rights for citizens of other countries. The Bill of Rights as I understand it only applies inside the United States. Our ancestors had to fight the Revolutionary War to get rights, I suggest Iranians do the same if they want more rights.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Maybe I have to read up on libertarians. What do they believe in. Sitting on the sidelines doing nothing and hope everything turns out OK.

Something like that. I believe government should provide very minimal services in the United States and none outside the US. The government should be barely noticeable. The federal government should yield to state and local governments in most cases.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So Kuwait didn't deserve to be liberated from Iraq?

No. Does Iraq deserve to be liberated from us? Why is it acceptable for the United States to overthrow a government, but it wasn't acceptable for Iraq to overthrow Kuwait? We have become way too involved in other countries disputes.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Maybe I have to read up on libertarians. What do they believe in. Sitting on the sidelines doing nothing and hope everything turns out OK.

They also enjoy making protest votes for candidates that will never ensure them a governing majority.

Originally Posted by BlueHair

How is it our problem that Iran's government oppresses? I'm not a Constitution Scholar, but I don't remember any part that says it's the mission of the US government to ensure rights for citizens of other countries. The Bill of Rights as I understand it only applies inside the United States. Our ancestors had to fight the Revolutionary War to get rights, I suggest Iranians do the same if they want more rights.

Don't be silly.

The basic interest in human suffering aside, history has shown that oppressive regimes rarely oppress only their own people. It's fallacious to assume that we don't bother them, they won't bother us.

To preempt a potential response let me add: there is no uniform solution to dealing with such states. Certainly military force should be exercised judiciously and carefully. But the problem cannot be ignored.

[BlueHair]

Originally Posted by Tex

They also enjoy making protest votes for candidates that will never ensure them a governing majority.



Don't be silly.

The basic interest in human suffering aside, history has shown that oppressive regimes rarely oppress only their own people. It's fallacious to assume that we don't bother them, they won't bother us.

To preempt a potential response let me add: there is no uniform solution to dealing with such states. Certainly military force should be exercised judiciously and carefully. But the problem cannot be ignored.

Iran is no threat to us. They have no capability of crossing the ocean to attack us. If they were so bold as to launch a nuclear attack, they would be wiped off the map. Honestly, there are very few countries that could cause us any real harm. The idea that we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here makes no sense.