11th hour Bush pardons

[Cougar Hunter]

Other than Himself, Cheney, Rove, Dumsfeld, Rice and the rest of his staff.
Who else will receive a pardon today?

I wouldn't be shocked to see Jeff Skilling's sentence get commuted.

Anyone else?

[ute4ever]

Can a pardon be issued before a formal judicial filing? Have there been subpoenas for crimes against humanity?

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Cougar Hunter

Other than Himself, Cheney, Rove, Dumsfeld, Rice and the rest of his staff.
Who else will receive a pardon today?

I wouldn't be shocked to see Jeff Skilling's sentence get commuted.

Anyone else?

If Bush pardons himself and staff it will set a truly horrible precedent: do whatever the hell you want as an aministration -- break laws as much as you want and trample on the Constitution and then pardon yourself when you're done. That's the kind of crap third world dictators would pull. And no, Tex, I'm not saying anything about what Bush, Cheney and their people did or didn't do. I'm just saying a blank check pardon without even anyone being charged with anything would be very bad precedent.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cougar Hunter

Other than Himself, Cheney, Rove, Dumsfeld, Rice and the rest of his staff.
Who else will receive a pardon today?

I wouldn't be shocked to see Jeff Skilling's sentence get commuted.

Anyone else?

Bin Laden. Charles Manson. Bernie Madoff. Stalin.

Originally Posted by BlueK

If Bush pardons himself and staff it will set a truly horrible precedent: do whatever the hell you want as an aministration -- break laws as much as you want, trample on the Constitution and then and pardon yourself when you're done. That's the kind of crap third world dictators would pull. And no, Tex, I'm not saying anything about what Bush, Cheney and their people did or didn't do. I'm just saying a blank check pardon without even anyone being charged with anything would be very bad precedent.

So calm down already. Ain't gonna happen.

[Cougar Hunter]

Originally Posted by ute4ever

Can a pardon be issued before a formal judicial filing? Have there been subpoenas for crimes against humanity?

New wrinkle in the Bush doctrine: preemptive pardoning.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cougar Hunter

New wrinkle in the Bush doctrine: preemptive pardoning.

This thread is yet another fine illustration of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Tex

Bin Laden. Charles Manson. Bernie Madoff. Stalin.



So calm down already. Ain't gonna happen.

sounds like you agree it would be a bad thing for an outgoing president to do. I don't think it would be upheld as Constutional if anything like that ever did happen. The Constitution says nothing about who the president can or can't pardon, but it wouldn't be hard to make the case that the founders didn't intend for the power to be absolute and unlimited for the chief executive.

[Cougar Hunter]

Originally Posted by BlueK

If Bush pardons himself and staff it will set a truly horrible precedent: do whatever the hell you want as an aministration -- break laws as much as you want and trample on the Constitution and then pardon yourself when you're done. That's the kind of crap third world dictators would pull. And no, Tex, I'm not saying anything about what Bush, Cheney and their people did or didn't do. I'm just saying a blank check pardon without even anyone being charged with anything would be very bad precedent.

I was being TIC. With all the other awful precedents set by the Bush admin and his contempt for the Constitution. Would anyone really be shocked to see it happen?

I am interested to see who he pardons today. I like the Utah guy he pardoned a couple weeks ago who wasn't even expecting it. Was he just drawing names out of a hat?

He's only a few pardons behind Clinton, let's see if he can go for the record.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BlueK

sounds like you agree it would be a bad thing for an outgoing president to do. I don't think it would be upheld as Constutional if anything like that ever did happen. The Constitution says nothing about who the president can or can't pardon, but it wouldn't be hard to make the case that the founders didn't intend for the power to be absolute and unlimited for the chief executive.

I agree it would be a bad precedent, but I disagree on the constitutionality. I'm no Constitution expert, but I believe the presidential power to pardon has been generally respected as "absolute and unlimited" by the courts. I'm not sure there isn't anyone the president cannot pardon, preemptively or no.

Is there ever a record of a person pardoned by the president being overturned? I'm not aware of any.

Originally Posted by Cougar Hunter

He's only a few pardons behind Clinton, let's see if he can go for the record.

Your posting prowess is becoming progressively less impressive.

With the new acts of clemency, Bush has granted a total of 189 pardons and 11 commutations.

That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan issued during their two-term tenures.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

EDIT: Clinton pardon 140 people on the last day of his presidency, roughly 75% of the entire number pardoned by Bush for his entire two terms.

[Cougar Hunter]

Originally Posted by Tex

I agree it would be a bad precedent, but I disagree on the constitutionality. I'm no Constitution expert, but I believe the presidential power to pardon has been generally respected as "absolute and unlimited" by the courts. I'm not sure there isn't anyone the president cannot pardon, preemptively or no.

Is there ever a record of a person pardoned by the president being overturned? I'm not aware of any.



Your posting prowess is becoming progressively less impressive.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

EDIT: Clinton pardon 140 people on the last day of his presidency, roughly 75% of the entire number pardoned by Bush for his entire two terms.

Mea Culpa. I was going by the wikipedia list of pardons issued by both presidents, which upon further review, is only a partial list. I still have faith that he can pull ahead though.

You have any predictions for last minute pardons Tex? Abramoff? Clemency for Clemens perhaps?