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SeattleUte · 11-07-2008, 04:59 PM

The Washington post has done a good job of covering the Prop. 8 campaign. Here is a SL Tribune reprint from the Post that is a fine summary of the motivations and thought processes that led especially Blacks and but also Latinos to support the measure.

http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_10925501

There isn't a line in the article that doesn't bespeak the same old enemy of progress. Not a line that does not bespeak retrograde attitudes.

I wonder if the African American woman who cited the Bible to her husband as justification for her vote knows that this was the primary moral authority cited by Confederates as support for their enslavement of her ancestors. I bet not. There's nothing here that a little education won't cure, and I'm thinking gay marriage proponents ought to redouble their efforts to bring the best educational resources possible to LA's downtrodden masses.

That's the irony. The same movement of secularization that grew out of Entlightenment and became entrenched in modern times, that freed the slaves, that brought forth the Civil Rights Act, that killed Jim Crow, that gave Barack Obama a chance as good as you or I have had to be president, that same revolution, is now behind the gays, and was wounded by its primary beneficiaries on November 4. As ML King said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Gays and their supporters need to keep doing what they've been doing for centuries now, and they can't lose.

Jeff Lebowski · 11-07-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

... As ML King said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.

Copycat.

SeattleUte · 11-07-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Copycat.

i had that same sig six months ago. Barbara is my witness. I'm sure others remember.

BarbaraGordon · 11-07-2008, 05:05 PM

You have to wonder how bizarre this juxtaposition must seem to the rest of the western world.

TripletDaddy · 11-07-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

i had that same sig six months ago. Barbara is my witness. I'm sure others remember.

I remember you copying someone else's post about ELO Chess rankings.

BarbaraGordon · 11-07-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

i had that same sig six months ago. Barbara is my witness. I'm sure others remember.

It's just funny to see Seattle using the same MLK quote that Obama centered his entire campaign around.

creekster · 11-07-2008, 05:07 PM

Look, your commetns on this are becoming very annoying. Suck it up and call us stupid. I supported prop 8 and you think I am an idiot for doing so. Fine, say it and then shut up. And, after shutting up, since you are so content in your new approach to life and relifgion and philosophy, why don't you go find some other group to share your happiness with, instead of gracing us with your residual bitterness? Leave me in my ignorance.

Archaea · 11-07-2008, 05:08 PM

I wonder how many people look at the silly debate and shake their heads. To compare the distinction between domestic partnerships and marriage is pretty minuscule. Yet persons are demons for wanting the distinction and person are demons wanting to break the distinction. We are a shallow people to find so much meaning in something so minor.

It is an insult to compare the 1964 Civil Rights movement to this.

exUte · 11-07-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

The Washington post has done a good job of covering the Prop. 8 campaign. Here is a SL Tribune reprint from the Post that is a fine summary of the motivations and thought processes that led especially Blacks and but also Latinos to support the measure.

http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_10925501

There isn't a line in the article that doesn't bespeak the same old enemy of progress. Not a line that does not bespeak retrograde attitudes.

I wonder if the African American woman who cited the Bible to her husband as justification for her vote knows that this was the primary moral authority cited by Confederates as support for their enslavement of her ancestors. I bet not. There's nothing here that a little education won't cure, and I'm thinking gay marriage proponents ought to redouble their efforts to bring the best educational resources possible to LA's downtrodden masses.

That's the irony. The same movement of secularization that grew out of Entlightenment and became entrenched in modern times, that freed the slaves, that brought forth the Civil Rights Act, that killed Jim Crow, that gave Barack Obama a chance as good as you or I have had to be president, that same revolution, is now behind the gays, and was wounded by its primary beneficiaries on November 4. As ML King said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Gays and their supporters need to keep doing what they've been doing for centuries now, and they can't lose.

How many blacks and latinos chose to be black and latino? There is a difference. They probably have also seen the disintegration of the traditional family up close and don't want to add fuel to that fire.

BTW........didn't Florida ban gay marriage as well. With no Church involvement? Where's the outrage and protests there? Because the Church is an easy target and it is true. People hate truth.

BarbaraGordon · 11-07-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

Look, your commetns on this are becoming very annoying. Suck it up and call us stupid. I supported prop 8 and you think I am an idiot for doing so. Fine, say it and then shut up. And, after shutting up, since you are so content in your new approach to life and relifgion and philosophy, why don't you go find some other group to share your happiness with, instead of gracing us with your residual bitterness? Leave me in my ignorance.

He feels obligated to help enlighten you. It's a ministry.

11-07-2008, 04:59 PM	#1
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	The stab in the back The Washington post has done a good job of covering the Prop. 8 campaign. Here is a SL Tribune reprint from the Post that is a fine summary of the motivations and thought processes that led especially Blacks and but also Latinos to support the measure. http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_10925501 There isn't a line in the article that doesn't bespeak the same old enemy of progress. Not a line that does not bespeak retrograde attitudes. I wonder if the African American woman who cited the Bible to her husband as justification for her vote knows that this was the primary moral authority cited by Confederates as support for their enslavement of her ancestors. I bet not. There's nothing here that a little education won't cure, and I'm thinking gay marriage proponents ought to redouble their efforts to bring the best educational resources possible to LA's downtrodden masses. That's the irony. The same movement of secularization that grew out of Entlightenment and became entrenched in modern times, that freed the slaves, that brought forth the Civil Rights Act, that killed Jim Crow, that gave Barack Obama a chance as good as you or I have had to be president, that same revolution, is now behind the gays, and was wounded by its primary beneficiaries on November 4. As ML King said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Gays and their supporters need to keep doing what they've been doing for centuries now, and they can't lose. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

11-07-2008, 05:07 PM	#7
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	Look, your commetns on this are becoming very annoying. Suck it up and call us stupid. I supported prop 8 and you think I am an idiot for doing so. Fine, say it and then shut up. And, after shutting up, since you are so content in your new approach to life and relifgion and philosophy, why don't you go find some other group to share your happiness with, instead of gracing us with your residual bitterness? Leave me in my ignorance. __________________ Sorry for th e tpyos.

11-07-2008, 05:08 PM	#8
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	I wonder how many people look at the silly debate and shake their heads. To compare the distinction between domestic partnerships and marriage is pretty minuscule. Yet persons are demons for wanting the distinction and person are demons wanting to break the distinction. We are a shallow people to find so much meaning in something so minor. It is an insult to compare the 1964 Civil Rights movement to this. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα Last edited by Archaea; 11-07-2008 at 05:14 PM.

11-07-2008, 05:05 PM	#4
BarbaraGordon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 7,157	You have to wonder how bizarre this juxtaposition must seem to the rest of the western world.