A preemptive war against Iran

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

The truth is that no one wants Iran to have a nuke. Even less do people want to do what it would take to prevent it. Even the only two countries in the world that have the will to use force don't have the will to do this.

Time will tell whether that is shortsighted.

How many people in Israel would die in the attempt? Tens of thousands? More?

Do you trade 100,000 Israeli lives to possibly prevent a future unknown threat?

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

The truth is that no one wants Iran to have a nuke. Even less do people want to do what it would take to prevent it. Even the only two countries in the world that have the will to use force don't have the will to do this.

Time will tell whether that is shortsighted.

Even if an attack is warranted, the mishandling of the current situation in Iraq has completely taken away our flexibility for responding effectively on anything that might happen with Iran.

[SeattleUte]

One thing that worries me is did we attack the wrong country?

[T Blue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

One thing that worries me is did we attack the wrong country?

Iran has had the past 6 years to basically do wha they please because the US has been busy next door.

Do you not think that had we attacked Iran that Saddam wouldn't be biding his time for his turn to attack?

Nah, the only thing emboldening that cretin from Iran is the fact that there are so many f'ing pussies in the world that are giving the US the finger because of the way the Iraq/AlQaeda war has gone on and on, and now the US is the big bad bully that is just picking on the citizens of Iraq as a occupying force, instead of being seen as a liberating force.

No way does the US attack Iran without some serious diplomacy first, and the rest of the world in agreement that somehting must be done.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

One thing that worries me is did we attack the wrong country?

Yes. Afghanistan was a successful operation, but diverting so much to Iraq and mostly ignoring it for a few years has made Afghanistan flare up again. That's who attacked us. That's where Al-Qaida really was. I don't think we should have attacked Iran either, but at least we'd be in a better position to respond to what might happen with them if we weren't so bogged down in Iraq. The Iraqi parliament has just said they want a timetable. We should give them what they want.

[T Blue]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It's the carrot that keeps Iran alive from the Bush-warmongers.

Do you think Bush will tank the entire oil industry, and ruin his financial backers?

There will be no attack on Iran. Even if Iran is in the midst of openly building the bomb. The cost of attack is just too high. It has to be solved diplomatically.

I think to start, Israel should offer to get rid of it's own nuclear program in exchange.

Do you fear that Israel is going to wake up one day and just push the button sending Nukes into one of it's neighbors?

If so, why haven't they done so with Iran already, long before Iran even thought about Nuclear capabilites?

I think you should be dang glad Israel has the abilities to defend itself, they are certainly not a threat to peace in the middle east, at least not to those countries who are willing to accept them as a soveriegn nation.

Iran on the other hand...... That is a very scary proposition to allow them the capability of destruction with the push of a button.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by T Blue

Do you fear that Israel is going to wake up one day and just push the button sending Nukes into one of it's neighbors?

If so, why haven't they done so with Iran already, long before Iran even thought about Nuclear capabilites?

I think you should be dang glad Israel has the abilities to defend itself, they are certainly not a threat to peace in the middle east, at least not to those countries who are willing to accept them as a soveriegn nation.

Iran on the other hand...... That is a very scary proposition to allow them the capability of destruction with the push of a button.

If Israel starts a pre-emptive war against Iran and uses nukes, I will support declaring war against Israel.

There will be even more moral pariahs than they already are. The entire world would turn against them.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by T Blue

Do you fear that Israel is going to wake up one day and just push the button sending Nukes into one of it's neighbors?

If so, why haven't they done so with Iran already, long before Iran even thought about Nuclear capabilites?

I think you should be dang glad Israel has the abilities to defend itself, they are certainly not a threat to peace in the middle east, at least not to those countries who are willing to accept them as a soveriegn nation.

Iran on the other hand...... That is a very scary proposition to allow them the capability of destruction with the push of a button.

Mike likes to bash Israel, but Israel at least is a democracy to some degree, and when it comes to things like nuclear war, that helps cooler heads to prevail. On the other hand, when a nutjob like the president of Iran gets to office and immediately talks about being able soon to wipe Israel off the map, then aggressively goes after nuclear capability, you have to think he may actually do it. Israel may well start a war with Iran to take away their nuclear capability, but they won't drop nukes on them first. Iran, on the other hand, has basically already stated they will do it as soon as they have the ability. Of course, they may be lying about that.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by BlueK

Mike likes to bash Israel, but Israel at least is a democracy to some degree, and when it comes to things like nuclear war, that helps cooler heads to prevail. On the other hand, when a nutjob like the president of Iran gets to office and immediately talks about being able soon to wipe Israel off the map, then aggressively goes after nuclear capability, you have to think he may actually do it. Israel may well start a war with Iran to take away their nuclear capability, but they won't drop nukes on them first. Iran, on the other hand, has basically already stated they will do it as soon as they have the ability. Of course, they may be lying about that.

"Wiping off the map" is an American idiom, isn't it? Are you saying that A. said that American idiom?

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

"Wiping off the map" is an American idiom, isn't it? Are you saying that A. said that American idiom?

I can't read persian, or whatever the name of his language is. So yes, I have to rely on translators doing their best to convey the message into a language I can understand. Are you disputing that he said he wanted to destroy Israel as soon as possible?