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Archaea · 12-01-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

BYU won 10+ games each year under Hall, who you think is a very average "princess" quarterback. To what do you attribute the wins? You certainly don't think it has anything to do with coaching. Note that during that span, BYU won more games than Utah, and you think Whit is a very good coach. How did BYU outperform them, overall and in conference? Not the QB, not the coaching, certainly not the defense (right?)? That doesn't leave you with many areas to identify for BYU's success. Note that during Hall's time at QB, BYU also beat Utah 2-1. BYU placed higher in conference than Utah twice in three years. BYU finished higher in the polls than Utah twice (and in the top 25 all three years). Say what you want, but BYU is performing better as a team than arguably during any 5 year span in BYU history. Too bad you won't recognize it until long after it has passed. Then you will blast future BYU teams for failing to match what these teams did while claiming it can't ever be done again.

Failure to reach BCS nirvana is what BYU is judged upon now and hereafter.

If BYU makes the BCS, it has a successful season in years we have a seasoned, experienced QB.

In years when we're breaking in a new one, a second or third place finish with ten wins is acceptable.

But Utah tasting the fruits of the land of milk and honey twice, and the Frogs being kissed by the princess once is simply too much to bear.

Goatnapper'96 · 12-14-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

BYU won 10+ games each year under Hall, who you think is a very average "princess" quarterback. To what do you attribute the wins? You certainly don't think it has anything to do with coaching. Note that during that span, BYU won more games than Utah, and you think Whit is a very good coach. How did BYU outperform them, overall and in conference? Not the QB, not the coaching, certainly not the defense (right?)? That doesn't leave you with many areas to identify for BYU's success. Note that during Hall's time at QB, BYU also beat Utah 2-1. BYU placed higher in conference than Utah twice in three years. BYU finished higher in the polls than Utah twice (and in the top 25 all three years). Say what you want, but BYU is performing better as a team than arguably during any 5 year span in BYU history. Too bad you won't recognize it until long after it has passed. Then you will blast future BYU teams for failing to match what these teams did while claiming it can't ever be done again.

Bump. Did I miss Mikey's response to this question?

Archaea · 12-14-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Bump. Did I miss Mikey's response to this question?

We want more and we want it NOW. BCS or Bust!

That is all.

ute4ever · 12-15-2009, 12:19 AM

Thanks to the addition of the twelfth regular-season game, the lofty "10 win" label has become inflated. 10 wins is the new 9 wins. Last year Missouri went 0-4 against ranked opponents, squeaked by unranked Northwestern in a second-tier, December bowl, and "won 10 games."

It's the same with "went to a bowl game." Now that there's 34 bowl games, 68 of the 120 teams (57%) participate. It's a pseudo-prestigious way of saying "we were .500 or better that year."

MikeWaters · 12-15-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

Bump. Did I miss Mikey's response to this question?

Sunshine pumpers need to look at all the BYU fans around them.

Why do BYU fans hold their nose when it comes to Max Hall? Why does the BYU coach say that BYU fans will learn to love and appreciate Max Hall in ten years?

It's not like I have stated something that goes against the grain.

Max Hall showed great promise. He did not deliver on those expectations. The end.

Archaea · 12-15-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Sunshine pumpers need to look at all the BYU fans around them.

Why do BYU fans hold their nose when it comes to Max Hall? Why does the BYU coach say that BYU fans will learn to love and appreciate Max Hall in ten years?

It's not like I have stated something that goes against the grain.

Max Hall showed great promise. He did not deliver on those expectations. The end.

You're going against the grain of Mormonism when you speak that way. Mormons are not meant to speak ill of their brothers.

Max was an odd commodity. He had success, but never really connected with the fans. He had a few games where he put together some important passes to win a close game. And he's won one bowl game, but he's kinda like John Walsh, just never really connected.

Cali Coug · 12-15-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

Thanks to the addition of the twelfth regular-season game, the lofty "10 win" label has become inflated. 10 wins is the new 9 wins. Last year Missouri went 0-4 against ranked opponents, squeaked by unranked Northwestern in a second-tier, December bowl, and "won 10 games."

It's the same with "went to a bowl game." Now that there's 34 bowl games, 68 of the 120 teams (57%) participate. It's a pseudo-prestigious way of saying "we were .500 or better that year."

How many teams have won as many games as BYU has in the Max Hall era? And yes, many teams go to bowl games now, but how many teams can claim to have been the #1 pick of the #1 affiliated bowl of their conference every year for the past 5 years? Even knowing that another team would have been picked if not selected by the BCS (TCU once and Utah once), that is remarkable.

MikeWaters · 12-15-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

How many teams have won as many games as BYU has in the Max Hall era? And yes, many teams go to bowl games now, but how many teams can claim to have been the #1 pick of the #1 affiliated bowl of their conference every year for the past 5 years? Even knowing that another team would have been picked if not selected by the BCS (TCU once and Utah once), that is remarkable.

How many BYU quarterbacks had:

1. The best receiver ever in the history of BYU: Austin Collie.
2. The most prolific receiver in the h/o BYU (receptions): Pitta.
3. The 2nd best runner in the h/o BYU (arguably the best), and 1st all-time in rushing yards: Unga.

Max Hall never put his personal stamp on this "Max Hall era." He was frequently on the cusp of greatness, with talk of the Heisman, talk of an undefeated season, but it quickly disappeared. The guy was the anti-Detmer. Loud, emotional, runs his mouth. He was the prima donna princess, for heaven's sake, the transfer from ASU should have been the first clue. He was not liked all that much because he was simply not terribly likeable.

It's only fitting this his career at LES ended with a crude diatribe, that took away from his teammates efforts, that resulted in a printed apology. That's Max Hall for you.

ute4ever · 12-16-2009, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

How many teams have won as many games as BYU has in the Max Hall era? And yes, many teams go to bowl games now, but how many teams can claim to have been the #1 pick of the #1 affiliated bowl of their conference every year for the past 5 years? Even knowing that another team would have been picked if not selected by the BCS (TCU once and Utah once), that is remarkable.

You need to go by winning percentage, not total wins. Max started three years? You would need an Indy Coug database to run the numbers of every three-year span of every team. BYU doesn't even have the top record in their own conference during the past three years (see Utah). And BYU won the conference twice during their five-year Vegas bowl streak, no matter how you spin it. Last year Nevada went to the WAC's #1 bowl thanks to Boise "upgrading" to the Poinsettia, and wouldn't you agree that a silver-goggled Wolfpack fan claiming they were the top pick wouldn't even fool Alan Greenspan.

MikeWaters · 12-16-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

You need to go by winning percentage, not total wins. Max started three years? You would need an Indy Coug database to run the numbers of every three-year span of every team. BYU doesn't even have the top record in their own conference during the past three years (see Utah). And BYU won the conference twice during their five-year Vegas bowl streak, no matter how you spin it. Last year Nevada went to the WAC's #1 bowl thanks to Boise "upgrading" to the Poinsettia, and wouldn't you agree that a silver-goggled Wolfpack fan claiming they were the top pick wouldn't even fool Alan Greenspan.

Say what you want, but the Mendenhall firesides have been amazing. Hater.

12-15-2009, 12:19 AM	#24
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	Thanks to the addition of the twelfth regular-season game, the lofty "10 win" label has become inflated. 10 wins is the new 9 wins. Last year Missouri went 0-4 against ranked opponents, squeaked by unranked Northwestern in a second-tier, December bowl, and "won 10 games." It's the same with "went to a bowl game." Now that there's 34 bowl games, 68 of the 120 teams (57%) participate. It's a pseudo-prestigious way of saying "we were .500 or better that year."