01-17-2006, 07:07 PM | #1 |
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i have been wondering what happens to people who commit suicide.
i have heard from church leaders before that people who commit suicide are pretty much damned. that doesn't really jive well with my thoughts about the mercy of God. i was at a funeral once of someone who commited suicide and overheard someone telling one of the family members the idea that their loved one had no hope. i didn't feel it was a very appropriate time to have that dicussion, and at the time it didn't seem right that justice can claim someome from their family members forever.
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01-17-2006, 07:16 PM | #2 |
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If you believe in a just God, you cannot possibly believe in the idea of eternal damnation for someone who commits suicide. It defies logic.
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01-17-2006, 07:25 PM | #3 |
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You can't dump every suicide into the same bucket. I personally don't know what happens to those that commit suicide, but I don't think I'm going out too far on a limb to say they all aren't automatically doomed to eternal damnation.
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I don't think you'd be able to find any recent commentary on the subject that even approached the suicide=damnation idea. On the contrary, I think you would likely find a talk or 2 given in the last 15 years that would emphasize mercy for those who had done so. Now, when it comes to euthanasia, the church takes a hard line stance. But that is a whole different animal. |
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01-17-2006, 07:41 PM | #5 |
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Is suicide wrong? Undoubtedly. However, you have to take into account the mental state of one who commits suicide. I can't imagine that most people who commit suicide were in a stable mental state. Accountability is limited, if not completely removed, in such a state.
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01-17-2006, 08:21 PM | #6 |
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not sure I can add anything that hasn't already been said, but here is my two cents. We all make choices in life, and in making those choices we all have different circumstances that will lead to the choice we make. (not sure if that makes sense but oh well). I think that just like everything else that we do, we will be judged on a case by case basis. That is the beauty of the whole mercy thing.
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01-17-2006, 08:39 PM | #7 |
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This is one reason the Atonement is so amazing. nothing in the church, or nothing Jesus Christ did on earth was as a group. Every ordinance, every action was done individually, "one by one."
So to say that all suicides are damned to me doesn't feel right. I think each will be dealt with on an individual basis. I do think that Constantine was a great movie and discussed the catholic view on suicide: automatic damnation.
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01-17-2006, 08:50 PM | #8 |
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The whole suicide = damnation thing rings a little to Catholic for me. I know that was (possibly is) one of their claims. I wonder if we picked it up from them and kind of adopted it as one of our little phantom doctrines.
I agree with what most of you have said. No one knows how a suicide will be judged. Even our imperfect system of laws recognizes diminished capacity. It's hard to imagine that God doesn't take that into account. |
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Yeah, I'm sort of kidding. Honestly, I abhor discussions about who gets into heaven and who doesn't -- unless we're talking about me personally, that's God's business, not mine. o
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01-18-2006, 12:20 AM | #10 |
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I am certain there are some suicides that would qualify as "self murder". Not everybody who commits suicide is mentally ill. A criminal who goes out in a blaze of glory instead of prison and euthanasia are two examples.
But the vast majority of suicides are suffering from severe mental illness and are not accountable for their actions. |
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