So the MWC sucks this year yet...... - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

cougjunkie · 12-25-2007, 06:49 PM

We finish with four 9 win teams? Possibly two with double digit wins when AFA takes on Cal. 4 of the 9 members have 9 wins and if TCU wins its bowl game they finish with 8 wins. That is pretty solid. The MWC has an overall record this year of: 59-48 (.551 winnning percentage)

That is pretty good. To put it in comparison with the other conferences:

ACC (12 teams) 3 teams with at least 9 wins, and a potential 4th after Wake plays their bowl game.

Big 12 (12 teams) 4 teams with at least 9 wins. Potentially 5 with Texas Tech still to play.

Big East (8 teams) 4 teams with at least 9 wins.

Big 10 (11 teams) 3 teams with at least 9 wins.

Conference USA (12 teams) 2 teams with at least 9 wins.

MAC (13 teams) 0 teams with at least 9 wins.

Pac-10 (10 teams) 2 teams with at least 9 wins, and OSU and Oregon can get their if they win their bowl games.

SEC (12 teams) 3 teams with at least 9 wins, and Arkansas and Auburn can get their if they win their bowl games.

Sunbelt (8 teams) 0 teams with at least 9 wins.

WAC (10 teams) 2 teams with at least 9 wins.

MikeWaters · 12-25-2007, 07:08 PM

And after all this , 5 teams from the MWC go bowling, and not a single one is matched up with a BCS team with a winning record.

<yawn>

My friends were asking me yesterday "when does BYU play its bowl."

Thanks Samuelson, Holmoe, and Bronco.

cougjunkie · 12-25-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

And after all this , 5 teams from the MWC go bowling, and not a single one is matched up with a BCS team with a winning record.

<yawn>

My friends were asking me yesterday "when does BYU play its bowl."

Thanks Samuelson, Holmoe, and Bronco.

I completely agree with you. BYU is a very small blip on the NCAA radar. I have a friend in South Carolina that knows more about football than any of us combined on this board and he knows I am a BYU fan and we were talking the other night and I was shocked at how little he knew about BYU.

TheSizzle36 · 12-26-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

I completely agree with you. BYU is a very small blip on the NCAA radar. I have a friend in South Carolina that knows more about football than any of us combined on this board and he knows I am a BYU fan and we were talking the other night and I was shocked at how little he knew about BYU.

Why would you be shocked? BYU fans in South Carolina can't watch BYU on TV, ESPN's coverage of BYU (both games and highlights) has been practically non-existent this year, with the possible exception of the games against UCLA. Our only legit hope is to start the year ranked, and then just win baby. We cannot afford an early loss or two to start the year next year. Maybe a mid-season loss like at TCU wouldn't kills us if TCU is unbeaten, but much else pretty much takes us off the national radar.

Indy Coug · 12-26-2007, 01:58 PM

Regardless of how many 9 win teams the MWC has, there still is a wide chasm between being the #6 and #7 conference in the country.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

BYU71 · 12-26-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

And after all this , 5 teams from the MWC go bowling, and not a single one is matched up with a BCS team with a winning record.

<yawn>

My friends were asking me yesterday "when does BYU play its bowl."

Thanks Samuelson, Holmoe, and Bronco.

And what do Samuelson, Holmoe and Bronco have to do with your complaint.

Ever heard the term, "what is, is."

I think the Bowl deal was put in place prior to their administration. The Mtn deal everyone bawls and moans about is still better than what we had. Believe me, losing records and being seen on ESPN didn't put us in the college football limelight.

While I don't agree with everyting they say, I think the three amigo's have done an outstanding job so far, if you judge by results.

realtall · 12-26-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

And what do Samuelson, Holmoe and Bronco have to do with your complaint.

Ever heard the term, "what is, is."

I think the Bowl deal was put in place prior to their administration. The Mtn deal everyone bawls and moans about is still better than what we had. Believe me, losing records and being seen on ESPN didn't put us in the college football limelight.

While I don't agree with everyting they say, I think the three amigo's have done an outstanding job so far, if you judge by results.

Where do you live? I'm in Texas and I don't get The Mtn(like everyone else that doesn't live in the immediate Rocky Mountain Area). At least when BYU was on ESPN I could see their games.

How does that make the current deal 'better?' BYU's(and the MWC's) national exposure went from some to none.

BYU71 · 12-26-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by realtall

Where do you live? I'm in Texas and I don't get The Mtn(like everyone else that doesn't live in the immediate Rocky Mountain Area). At least when BYU was on ESPN I could see their games.

How does that make the current deal 'better?' BYU's(and the MWC's) national exposure went from some to none.

Money and that is what it is all about, not the number of fans that watch.

Do you think if we had been on ESPN we would have been ranked higher the last two years, I doubt it.

I feel for you guys who don't get the Mtn., I really do. On the other hand I do get it and the coverage for me has been far better than it was on ESPN. I am talking about actual games.

DJRoss · 12-26-2007, 04:04 PM

BYU can go to a BCS game next season and than negotiate a BYU only deal with ESPN. This is assuming that the mtn fiasco has not been taken care of and BYU goes their own way in dealing with their visibility. I am not saying they necessarily leave the conference (even though I think they could pull it off), but that they like Georgia and Oklahoma did in 1985, take control of their own exposure.

I could see ESPN paying BYU up to 2 Million a year for rights to air. I could see them taking over a million a year in trade for BYU to maintain scheduling rights or at least guarantees.

MikeWaters · 12-26-2007, 04:10 PM

Let's do a hypothetical: BYU games are free on any system (cable or satellite), but you have to call in and specifically request the channel.

So every BYU fan has access, and virtually no one else does.

And let's say that the money given to BYU is slightly more money than BYU would get from an ESPN deal.

Is this good for BYU? More money, every BYU fan with access.

I think it would be a horrible deal. But obviously Holmoe et al. would be ecstatic.

12-25-2007, 06:49 PM	#1
cougjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 5,741	So the MWC sucks this year yet...... We finish with four 9 win teams? Possibly two with double digit wins when AFA takes on Cal. 4 of the 9 members have 9 wins and if TCU wins its bowl game they finish with 8 wins. That is pretty solid. The MWC has an overall record this year of: 59-48 (.551 winnning percentage) That is pretty good. To put it in comparison with the other conferences: ACC (12 teams) 3 teams with at least 9 wins, and a potential 4th after Wake plays their bowl game. Big 12 (12 teams) 4 teams with at least 9 wins. Potentially 5 with Texas Tech still to play. Big East (8 teams) 4 teams with at least 9 wins. Big 10 (11 teams) 3 teams with at least 9 wins. Conference USA (12 teams) 2 teams with at least 9 wins. MAC (13 teams) 0 teams with at least 9 wins. Pac-10 (10 teams) 2 teams with at least 9 wins, and OSU and Oregon can get their if they win their bowl games. SEC (12 teams) 3 teams with at least 9 wins, and Arkansas and Auburn can get their if they win their bowl games. Sunbelt (8 teams) 0 teams with at least 9 wins. WAC (10 teams) 2 teams with at least 9 wins. __________________ LINCECUM!

12-26-2007, 04:04 PM	#9
DJRoss Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 340	What would be cool at this point would be if... BYU can go to a BCS game next season and than negotiate a BYU only deal with ESPN. This is assuming that the mtn fiasco has not been taken care of and BYU goes their own way in dealing with their visibility. I am not saying they necessarily leave the conference (even though I think they could pull it off), but that they like Georgia and Oklahoma did in 1985, take control of their own exposure. I could see ESPN paying BYU up to 2 Million a year for rights to air. I could see them taking over a million a year in trade for BYU to maintain scheduling rights or at least guarantees. __________________ Click on image for my card and blog

12-25-2007, 07:08 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	And after all this , 5 teams from the MWC go bowling, and not a single one is matched up with a BCS team with a winning record. <yawn> My friends were asking me yesterday "when does BYU play its bowl." Thanks Samuelson, Holmoe, and Bronco.

12-26-2007, 01:58 PM	#5
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Regardless of how many 9 win teams the MWC has, there still is a wide chasm between being the #6 and #7 conference in the country. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

12-26-2007, 04:10 PM	#10
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Let's do a hypothetical: BYU games are free on any system (cable or satellite), but you have to call in and specifically request the channel. So every BYU fan has access, and virtually no one else does. And let's say that the money given to BYU is slightly more money than BYU would get from an ESPN deal. Is this good for BYU? More money, every BYU fan with access. I think it would be a horrible deal. But obviously Holmoe et al. would be ecstatic.