08-13-2008, 10:18 PM | #11 |
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I don't want to talk to you about gay marriage. Last time I discussed a controversial topic with someone in person he yelled the f-word at me.
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08-13-2008, 10:20 PM | #12 |
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You must have been talking to IndyCoug. He used that same word towards me today.
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No, I was talking to a ute about Collie's post-game remarks. I told him that I couldn't understand why he was getting so worked up about something a kid said over the radio in Utah. He then said that as a member of the church he was embarrassed by Collie's remarks, and I told him that was a ridiculous statement, and if he wanted to fret about how fb players are representing the church he should concern himself more with the pre-game remarks made by what's his name on the Utah team. That's when he shouted the f-word at me and hung up the phone. I extended the olive branch a few days later, but admittedly the friendship has remained strained every since the incident.
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1. I have never said I know better. I keep saying that I do not know enough. So I am not going to act until I know more....or at the very least until I can feel a spiritual peace and then act on faith. 2. I have never once promised to follow Church leadership. To what exactly are you referring? When did I make this promise? When did you? We sustain our leaders. That is not a promise to obey every thing they say. It is simply a sustaining. It is also recognizing the FP as prophets, seers, and revelators....which I definitely do. At no time do we claim that these men cannot make mistakes or are perfect. The Gospel requires much from all of us. You sustain the prophet. He has counseled to not delay marriage. Why are you delaying marriage? Probably because you dont want to get married until it feels right. yet you promised to obey.....there are some who would say that delaying marriage is a big deal...a really big deal. If you are doing any sinning in your life, you are violating that which you promised not to do. I dont see this Prop 8 as much different than any other "sin" of omission. I dont even see it as a sin. As you stated, the Church isnt even organizing it. And they are not lobbying me. So it seems that we would all agree that this is all purely voluntary.
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Until that happens, nobody who opposes Proposition 8 is being asked to give up full membership in the Church. Maybe it's those who think this issue is a required component of being a good Church member who are "missing the mark" here. |
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I do not necessarily lump BDB into that group...or even imply that BDB is part of that camp. In fairness, she has not had a chance to clarify, so I do not want to cast her comments in a false light. Just saying that her post raises the interesting issue.
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