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The question wasn't "Is Kolob a core belief or doctrine?" The question was whether we belive God lives on a planet called Kolob. The answer was completely accurate but it is not accurate to say it completely captures Mormon leaders' wriitngs on the subject. That's OK, and I understadn the context, but as someone else pointed out, the brevity seemed a little curt and added to the fact that it is somewhat less than complete makes me a little uncomfortable. OTOH, maybe I need to re-examine what I bewleve about some of htese things (the questions about Kolob really aren't that big of deal to me, btw).
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That was one that was evasive, IMHO.
Many of the answers were evasive. But at some point, Mormons have got to let go of some of their pet doctrines if they are never taught in conference or in the church manuals and answers in media seem to refute them or minimize their importance. |
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You are making my point. Were some of these refuted or were they just slicing their answer very finely? How can you tell? That is exactly what I am talking about.
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"Now we are told in Scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father... We must come down to the simple fact that God Almighty was the Father of His Son Jesus Christ. Mary, the virgin girl, who had never known mortal man, was his mother. God by her begot His son Jesus Christ. And he was born into the world with power and intelligence like that of his Father." Stake Conference Address printed in the Box Elder Times, Sept. 22, 1914. Also found in Messages of the First Presidency,@ vol. 4, pp. 327-332.
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I don't know what you mean by temple ceremony being refuted. The importance of it has never been refuted and clearly is regularly emphasized.
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TO really discuss MW's point you should proabbyl be in the temple. BUt in general I think he is making the same point I am making.
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I do think your approach that doctrines have an expiration date when they aren't mentioned for long enough is an interesting little bit of mental gymnastics, however. I don't really blame you, honestly, for taking a position here though I think several are possible. The fact that we are a church without creeds is always going to mean that "doctrine" means something very different to us than it does other religions. It is a much more fluid concept.
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