I listened to the Beck talk again

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Personal attacks? In the past with you, I've tried asking legitimate questions only to get huffy responses from you which eventually devolve into you attacking me.

President Hinckley has led the way, IMO, in recognizing the hard realities of the working mother. He and many others have given very good talks on the subject. Just because Sister Beck's talk in your view didn't amount to some sort of collective global feminine affirmation doesn't mean that the church isn't reaching out to your mother and many others. Can it improve in this regard? Undoubtedly.

I could relate to you the reaction of my wife's friends (most of whom work, a couple which are single) to the talk, but you'd probably just reply with telling me to wear a dress for 3 months.

Of course your wifes friends loved the talk. She couldn't tell you otherwise. We don't have to live with you and can even ignore you. Your wife must be a saint.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Of course your wifes friends loved the talk. She couldn't tell you otherwise. We don't have to live with you and can even ignore you. Your wife must be a saint.

Yeah, you've obviously met my wife.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Tex

That's just it, Requiem. This is the thing you are not comprehending. Beck's talk WASN'T addressed to her, for crying out loud. Your mother is perfectly fine to listen to the talk, take away from it what she can, and to the rest say, "for me that's not possible."

Tell me, have you ever heard a talk from a general authority or officer addressed to women in your mother's situation? If you haven't, then like Mike Waters, you haven't been listening. It is not Sister Beck's responsibility to add a little asterisk to every talk she gives saying, "If this doesn't apply to you, please ignore."

And please stop with the "woe is me, I have a brain" stuff.

What you don't understand, my dear little Tex, is that Beck had a unique platform to address all the women in her stewardship. Rather than being inclusive, she focused solely on the stay at home mothers with the clear implication they are God's elect. She wasted a perfect opportunity to reach out to all women.

You and I will never agree on this topic because you are incapable of seeing issues from a woman's point of view. By the way, thanks for the comparison with Mike Waters. I take that as a compliment to free thinkers everywhere.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Requiem

What you don't understand, my dear little Tex, is that Beck had a unique platform to address all the women in her stewardship. Rather than being inclusive, she focused solely on the stay at home mothers with the clear implication they are God's elect. She wasted a perfect opportunity to reach out to all women.

You and I will never agree on this topic because you are incapable of seeing issues from a woman's point of view. By the way, thanks for the comparison with Mike Waters. I take that as a compliment to free thinkers everywhere.

Ummm... the comparison to Mike Waters was in the context of being unable to listen. I find it odd you liked that comparison.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Of course your wifes friends loved the talk. She couldn't tell you otherwise. We don't have to live with you and can even ignore you. Your wife must be a saint.

Of course that huge check he brings home doesn't hurt much. You and I could live off of one tenth of what Indy makes. I don't doubt that she is a saintly woman, but I'm certain the elegance and abundance in which they live doesn't hurt.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Of course that huge check he brings home doesn't hurt much. You and I could live off of one tenth of what Indy makes. I don't doubt that she is a saintly woman, but I'm certain the elegance and abundance in which they live doesn't hurt.

Obviously you haven't seen my paycheck.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Requiem

What you don't understand, my dear little Tex, is that Beck had a unique platform to address all the women in her stewardship. Rather than being inclusive, she focused solely on the stay at home mothers with the clear implication they are God's elect. She wasted a perfect opportunity to reach out to all women.

So what this boils down to is, there was nothing really wrong with what she said. She just didn't address it to the audience YOU think she should have.

Next time the prophet in priesthood session says, "I'm going to talk to the bishops tonight," I'll be sure to get hot and bothered because I'm not one.

Originally Posted by Requiem

You and I will never agree on this topic because you are incapable of seeing issues from a woman's point of view. By the way, thanks for the comparison with Mike Waters. I take that as a compliment to free thinkers everywhere.

Ah, the old "you aren't a woman, so you can't understand" line. Unfortunately for you, not every single childless woman reacted so negatively. Maybe they don't understand either.

As for Mike Waters, he whined about fathers not being told to spend time with their families, about 27 seconds before Elder Oaks did just that. I suggest you don't take pride in not paying attention.

[BYU71]

Your statement:

Rather than being inclusive, she focused solely on the stay at home mothers with the clear implication they are God's elect. She wasted a perfect opportunity to reach out to all women.

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This is why I think there will be some clarification made at a later date. It may formal or very informal like an article in the Ensign about working moms and how valuable they are or the single gals in the church and their great contributions.

Don't ever look for anything positive though coming about single males in the church. They have been singled out as road kill and no one gets upset about it.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

So what this boils down to is, there was nothing really wrong with what she said. She just didn't address it to the audience YOU think she should have.

Next time the prophet in priesthood session says, "I'm going to talk to the bishops tonight," I'll be sure to get hot and bothered because I'm not one.



Ah, the old "you aren't a woman, so you can't understand" line. Unfortunately for you, not every single childless woman reacted so negatively. Maybe they don't understand either.

As for Mike Waters, he whined about fathers not being told to spend time with their families, about 27 seconds before Elder Oaks did just that. I suggest you don't take pride in not paying attention.

These are tired old bull crap comebacks Tex. Get a new schtick. Try to answer questions without rephrasing what someone says to suit your comeback.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Don't ever look for anything positive though coming about single males in the church. They have been singled out as road kill and no one gets upset about it.

Single males need to reach out to others.