The church has spoken...

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Tex

Talk about unpersuasive. Of all the arguments for gay-from-birth, this is the least convincing. Why does a man choose to engage in adultery? or theft? or murder?

Uh...to experience an orgasm with a hot woman, to get something that they don't want to pay for, and to hurt someone they're angry at.

Your turn: What's the payoff for being gay?

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by Rickomatic

Didn't the majority of the people (not just Mormons) who cared to vote in California decide they wanted a marriage to be between a man and a woman (for the second time). Isn't that enough, or does the minority decide?

Sometimes the minority needs protection from the majority. See civil rights movement. Cue a roll of the eyes from Tex.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Tex

I don't know about "evil" and "radical" but the lawsuit against the Boy Scouts was a definitely agenda driven, which is why it was in my list. Dale enlisted the help of Lambda Legal, a gay activist group who has just filed a lawsuit over Prop 8's passing.

Now you have backtracked to where "agenda" can mean virtually any coordinated effort regardless of motivation.

Q.E.D.

[CardiacCoug]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

Uh...to experience an orgasm with a hot woman, to get something that they don't want to pay for, and to hurt someone they're angry at.

Your turn: What's the payoff for being gay?

Yep, although those things are sins, there is an "upside" to them. There's no upside for an active LDS kid to choose to be gay.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

Yep, although those things are sins, there is an "upside" to them. There's no upside for an active LDS kid to choose to be gay.

I wonder how Tex and cougarobgon rationalize suicides by devout LDS gays?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

Uh...to experience an orgasm with a hot woman, to get something that they don't want to pay for, and to hurt someone they're angry at.

Your turn: What's the payoff for being gay?

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

Yep, although those things are sins, there is an "upside" to them. There's no upside for an active LDS kid to choose to be gay.

So the only illogical decision a man can make in this world is to become gay. Everything else makes sense.

Gotcha.

Originally Posted by Flystripper

Sometimes the minority needs protection from the majority. See civil rights movement. Cue a roll of the eyes from Tex.

I'm not rolling my eyes, I agree with you. But minority rights do not trump all.

It's a great bumpersticker, but it practice it's a little more complicated.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Now you have backtracked to where "agenda" can mean virtually any coordinated effort regardless of motivation.

That doesn't even make any sense.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by CardiacCoug

Yep, although those things are sins, there is an "upside" to them. There's no upside for an active LDS kid to choose to be gay.

"Stop using the same cliched tired old argument. Ya got anything new?"

There, Tex, I saved you the trouble.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I wonder how Tex and cougarobgon rationalize suicides by devout LDS gays?

I'm right here. You can just ask me.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Rickomatic

Didn't the majority of the people (not just Mormons) who cared to vote in California decide they wanted a marriage to be between a man and a woman (for the second time). Isn't that enough, or does the minority decide?

Signed,
Board of Education, Topeka, KS

Sorry for the repeat, Tex, but I'm sort of tired of the same old lame argument.

EDIT: Sorry--Flystripper already got this one. Hadn't read his yet.

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by Rickomatic

Didn't the majority of the people (not just Mormons) who cared to vote in California decide they wanted a marriage to be between a man and a woman (for the second time). Isn't that enough, or does the minority decide?

Just something to think about: what percentage of the population of California is gay? what percentage of the population voted against Prop 8? I think the support by non-gays for gays is significant.

Also, you're not really making an argument in favor of the tyranny of the majority, are you? Many of us think we have a duty to protect the rights of the minority.