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MikeWaters · 08-17-2007, 07:47 PM

Mpfunk said Coltrane.

Personally, I don't even see Coltrane beating out Miles Davis in this horse race.

Longevity, influence, reinvention, chops, originality--I think Davis beats out Coltrane.

mpfunk · 08-20-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Mpfunk said Coltrane.

Personally, I don't even see Coltrane beating out Miles Davis in this horse race.

Longevity, influence, reinvention, chops, originality--I think Davis beats out Coltrane.

Davis certainly had longevity over Coltrane, but I think that is the only thing that Davis had over Trane. Davis is great and certainly I would not criticize anyone who would pick him, but I simply disagree.

I think Trane was a lot more original than Davis. Neither one really started the whole free jazz movement, but Coltrane simply did it better and did it earlier.

You can give Davis credit for the innovation of Kind of Blue, but you had Coltrane as a major driving force on that album as well.

MikeWaters · 08-20-2007, 07:09 PM

I am not very knowledgeable about jazz, although I have listened to both Coltrane and Davis.

I asked Farrah about this (who is knowledgeable about both jazz and music in general) and she agreed with me.

Davis went through all sorts of innovations and periods that went well beyond just Kind of Blue.

SeattleUte · 08-20-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I am not very knowledgeable about jazz, although I have listened to both Coltrane and Davis.

I asked Farrah about this (who is knowledgeable about both jazz and music in general) and she agreed with me.

Davis went through all sorts of innovations and periods that went well beyond just Kind of Blue.

What, Kenny G dosen't get a vote? (Okay, first time in history I have to add TIC.)

Davis.

8ballrollin · 08-20-2007, 07:53 PM

I don’t know anything about jazz.

I did go through a few years of listening, but I don't listen to it much anymore. Voting with my wallet, based on the count of my Jazz CDs by artistst, here is my list:

1.Monk
2.Coltrane
3.Parker
4.Davis

8ballrollin · 08-20-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 8ballrollin

I don’t know anything about jazz.

I did go through a few years of listening, but I don't listen to it much anymore. Voting with my wallet, based on the count of my Jazz CDs by artistst, here is my list:

1.Monk
2.Coltrane
3.Parker
4.Davis

One checkmark for Coltrane - I think my all-time favorite jazz track is Equinox (pedestrian, I'm sure. I think it's more blues than Jazz)

FarrahWaters · 08-21-2007, 03:33 AM

It's a tough call. I answered Davis, because I thought he was probably more influential simply because he was around longer. But I admit I have more Coltrane albums, and think that A Love Supreme and Blue Trane are at least on a par with Kind of Blue.

il Padrino Ute · 08-21-2007, 03:53 AM

That is a tough question to answer. I prefer to break it down into categories:

saxophone - John Coltrane
trumpet - Miles Davis
piano - Bill Evans
guitar - Pat Metheny

Gutless, yes, but I'll stick to that.

08-17-2007, 07:47 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Greatest American jazz musician/band leader Mpfunk said Coltrane. Personally, I don't even see Coltrane beating out Miles Davis in this horse race. Longevity, influence, reinvention, chops, originality--I think Davis beats out Coltrane.

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08-20-2007, 07:09 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I am not very knowledgeable about jazz, although I have listened to both Coltrane and Davis. I asked Farrah about this (who is knowledgeable about both jazz and music in general) and she agreed with me. Davis went through all sorts of innovations and periods that went well beyond just Kind of Blue.

08-20-2007, 07:53 PM	#5
8ballrollin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: WA Posts: 1,287	I don’t know anything about jazz. I did go through a few years of listening, but I don't listen to it much anymore. Voting with my wallet, based on the count of my Jazz CDs by artistst, here is my list: 1.Monk 2.Coltrane 3.Parker 4.Davis

08-21-2007, 03:33 AM	#7
FarrahWaters Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,122	It's a tough call. I answered Davis, because I thought he was probably more influential simply because he was around longer. But I admit I have more Coltrane albums, and think that A Love Supreme and Blue Trane are at least on a par with Kind of Blue.