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SoCalCoug · 11-20-2005, 05:27 PM

on CNN - one with Wolf Blitzer. Bob Kerrey was on there, and they were discussing Bush's claims that Congress had access to the same intelligence he did, in criticizing the democrats for complaining about the Iraq war. Kerrey's response was that that claim was completely false, otherwise, how come they had to subpoena the president's intelligence briefings for the 9/11 commission, and at that they still got sanitized ones.

I thought it was interesting. If Kerrey's accurate, then Bush is lying, isn't he?

MikeWaters · 11-20-2005, 11:47 PM

There's a lot of sping going on....

I have no doubt that the Bush team cherry picked intelligence that supported the position that they believed/wanted.

Reports from German intelligence, that discredit Bush's assertions, came out this week. "we told the Americans not to believe this guy." No American ever interviewed/questioned this key source named "curveball."

I think the more you dig, the more you will find it stinks.

Archaea · 11-21-2005, 12:30 AM

but Mike in intelligence, you must pick and choose whom you will believe and whom you won't.

I don't think it stinks, wrong maybe not by design.

My number one question is what would Bush gain by embroiling himself in a war that his father advised against?

Nobody comes up with an adequate answer.

Bush actually believed he did it for the right reason. I think he was wrong, but I don't fault him for the reasons are willing to believe he lied to wage war.

Every advocate shapes evidence to make his case; that's not dishonest. It's not a scholarly exercise.

DirtyHippieUTE · 11-21-2005, 12:43 AM

Mrs. Hippie and I have gone the rounds on this... She hates Bush.

We've come to believe that Bush didn't doctor Intel. but he may have been eager to believe the stuff that said go.

I think it's dishonest for the Dems to say that they got the wool pulled over their eyes. They were given the same intel and made their own choices.

Everybody was wrong.

Regarding the pull out, I'm still on board with what Powell said, "You break it, you own it."

I think if we pull out now we're oing to reap the whirlwind later.

cougarstolz · 12-01-2005, 09:20 PM

if we leave now, somebody worse than saddam will fill the power vacuum. what do people expect will happen to iraq if we leave now?

SoCalCoug · 12-02-2005, 09:04 PM

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Mrs. Hippie and I have gone the rounds on this... She hates Bush.

uhh . . . on second thought, no comment.

11-20-2005, 05:27 PM	#1
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	I just caught part of one of those Sun. a.m. news shows on CNN - one with Wolf Blitzer. Bob Kerrey was on there, and they were discussing Bush's claims that Congress had access to the same intelligence he did, in criticizing the democrats for complaining about the Iraq war. Kerrey's response was that that claim was completely false, otherwise, how come they had to subpoena the president's intelligence briefings for the 9/11 commission, and at that they still got sanitized ones. I thought it was interesting. If Kerrey's accurate, then Bush is lying, isn't he? __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

11-21-2005, 12:30 AM	#3
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	There's enough there for everybody but Mike in intelligence, you must pick and choose whom you will believe and whom you won't. I don't think it stinks, wrong maybe not by design. My number one question is what would Bush gain by embroiling himself in a war that his father advised against? Nobody comes up with an adequate answer. Bush actually believed he did it for the right reason. I think he was wrong, but I don't fault him for the reasons are willing to believe he lied to wage war. Every advocate shapes evidence to make his case; that's not dishonest. It's not a scholarly exercise. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

12-01-2005, 09:20 PM	#5
cougarstolz Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Provo, UT Posts: 8	if we leave now, somebody worse than saddam will fill the power vacuum. what do people expect will happen to iraq if we leave now? __________________ go byu go michigan go louisville

11-20-2005, 11:47 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	There's a lot of sping going on.... I have no doubt that the Bush team cherry picked intelligence that supported the position that they believed/wanted. Reports from German intelligence, that discredit Bush's assertions, came out this week. "we told the Americans not to believe this guy." No American ever interviewed/questioned this key source named "curveball." I think the more you dig, the more you will find it stinks.

11-21-2005, 12:43 AM	#4
DirtyHippieUTE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,151	Mrs. Hippie and I have gone the rounds on this... She hates Bush. We've come to believe that Bush didn't doctor Intel. but he may have been eager to believe the stuff that said go. I think it's dishonest for the Dems to say that they got the wool pulled over their eyes. They were given the same intel and made their own choices. Everybody was wrong. Regarding the pull out, I'm still on board with what Powell said, "You break it, you own it." I think if we pull out now we're oing to reap the whirlwind later.