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tooblue · 02-08-2006, 04:05 PM

Yesterday my union voted in favor of a strike if necessary ... in other words Ontario College teachers have empowered their bargaining team to bully management … going to the table with a strike mandate in you back pocket is not bargaining!

In recent years the Toronto High School Teachers Union did the exact same thing, eventually went on strike and were effectively neutered by the government and the general public … they now have a worse deal, and far less power.

Such events set a precedence … understand that the High School teachers unions in Canada are quite possibly one of the wealthiest and most powerful political bodies in the country –they own the Toronto Maple leafs and Toronto Raptors for Pete’s sake!

Regardless they were easily dismantled … something that has never before happened –economies have never been so tenuous and governments have never been so brazen.

I am beyond angry … DID THEY NOT LEARN ANYTHING from the high school teachers, or From the NHL players union?

&(*@!^~*#

The_Tick · 02-08-2006, 04:11 PM

Something I learned building airplanes a long time ago....

Unions care about Union Management. They care nothing for Union Employees.

Unions are shit.

They protect the lazy worker and keep down the good employee.

They are helping kill the American economy...

Mormon Red Death · 02-08-2006, 04:13 PM

Strikes can work sometimes. IMO its all about leverage. the thing I would be most concerned about is if your negotiators take a hard line and dont concede on some points. That is the key. Its like Big 3. Right now the labor unions pretty much just concede everything because if they don't then the GM/Ford/DC will shut down plants and build their cars oversees.

SteelBlue · 02-08-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Tick

Something I learned building airplanes a long time ago....

Unions care about Union Management. They care nothing for Union Employees.

Unions are shit.

They protect the lazy worker and keep down the good employee.

They are helping kill the American economy...

You had me at "Unions are shit."

il Padrino Ute · 02-09-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

Right now the labor unions pretty much just concede everything because if they don't then the GM/Ford/DC will shut down plants and build their cars oversees.

I was going to mention GM and Ford as an example of what happens when unions get too big. The UAW is the cause of the US auto industry.

tooblue - I hope things work out for you, my friend. Are there private colleges in Canada at which you can teach?

Unions suck. When they came about, it was a good thing and necessary, but unions are now too powerful. The Tick is right - unions are for union managment, not the worker.

MikeWaters · 02-09-2006, 01:49 AM

GM can't innovate, can't retool, can't cut costs, etc. etc.

It's only a matter of time before GM is bankrupt. Chrysler/Mercedes is looking ok. Ford is looking iffy, but better than GM.

The days of 75k a year for tightening bolts are over.

outlier · 02-09-2006, 06:44 PM

Or look at the airline industry. Union contracts keep driving airlines into bankruptcy (well, that and business models that assumed perpetual fiat of government to keep quasi-monopolies in tact). But still.

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02-08-2006, 04:05 PM	#1
tooblue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,016	I need to vent ... Yesterday my union voted in favor of a strike if necessary ... in other words Ontario College teachers have empowered their bargaining team to bully management … going to the table with a strike mandate in you back pocket is not bargaining! In recent years the Toronto High School Teachers Union did the exact same thing, eventually went on strike and were effectively neutered by the government and the general public … they now have a worse deal, and far less power. Such events set a precedence … understand that the High School teachers unions in Canada are quite possibly one of the wealthiest and most powerful political bodies in the country –they own the Toronto Maple leafs and Toronto Raptors for Pete’s sake! Regardless they were easily dismantled … something that has never before happened –economies have never been so tenuous and governments have never been so brazen. I am beyond angry … DID THEY NOT LEARN ANYTHING from the high school teachers, or From the NHL players union? &(@!^~#

02-08-2006, 04:11 PM	#2
The_Tick Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 626	Something I learned building airplanes a long time ago.... Unions care about Union Management. They care nothing for Union Employees. Unions are shit. They protect the lazy worker and keep down the good employee. They are helping kill the American economy... __________________ Spooooooon

02-08-2006, 04:13 PM	#3
Mormon Red Death Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton Township, MI Posts: 3,126	Strikes can work sometimes. IMO its all about leverage. the thing I would be most concerned about is if your negotiators take a hard line and dont concede on some points. That is the key. Its like Big 3. Right now the labor unions pretty much just concede everything because if they don't then the GM/Ford/DC will shut down plants and build their cars oversees. __________________ Its all about the suit

02-09-2006, 06:44 PM	#7
outlier Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 180	Or look at the airline industry. Union contracts keep driving airlines into bankruptcy (well, that and business models that assumed perpetual fiat of government to keep quasi-monopolies in tact). But still. o __________________ Es irrt der Mensch solang er strebt. -J. W. v. Goethe (OTOH, just because you screw up, that doesn\'t mean you\'re getting somewhere.) The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. - W. Churchill

02-09-2006, 01:49 AM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	GM can't innovate, can't retool, can't cut costs, etc. etc. It's only a matter of time before GM is bankrupt. Chrysler/Mercedes is looking ok. Ford is looking iffy, but better than GM. The days of 75k a year for tightening bolts are over.