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Old 10-25-2007, 09:45 PM   #41
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Did you see the Breeders when they opened for Nirvana in Utah?
I went to the concert; that was a good one. The Breeders were cool.

Afterwards I was getting food at Taco Bell and some guy comes in and asks if we want to meet the bass player from Nirvana and tells us the room number of a hotel down the street. We figured what hte hell and went and knock on the door and sure enough, there he was listening to the Doors and chilling with some other fans. Talk to him for a while and then there is a knock on the door from the adjoining room and in comes Pat Smear, the #2 guitarist that had recently joined the group. Kind of a surreal experience.
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I went to the concert; that was a good one. The Breeders were cool.

Afterwards I was getting food at Taco Bell and some guy comes in and asks if we want to meet the bass player from Nirvana and tells us the room number of a hotel down the street. We figured what hte hell and went and knock on the door and sure enough, there he was listening to the Doors and chilling with some other fans. Talk to him for a while and then there is a knock on the door from the adjoining room and in comes Pat Smear, the #2 guitarist that had recently joined the group. Kind of a surreal experience.
That is an awesome story. very cool.

I would be WAY more interested in meeting pat smear that krist novoselic. I'd love to hear his Germs stories.

Of course, I would rather meet the Deal sisters more than Pat Smear, but that was before they gained all that weight.
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:22 PM   #43
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I was at the show in SLC for the farewell tour. It was the best show they ever did in SLC - about 4 1/2 hours long and they even did an acoustic set. I've actually seen Oingo Boingo 22 times - 17 in SLC 2 in NYC and 3 in LA. Agreed about Elfman being a genius.

I saw the same EATB/Gene Loves Jezebal/New Order show that you saw, but at what was then known as Park West (now The Canyons). Great times and the only time I'm aware of that Ian McCulloch and the boys were ever in SLC.

I saw that same show at the Berkeley Greek Theater. GLJ were ran off the stage by a steady pelting of pennies and lighters. No one was there to see them. ENB played several Doors' covers that night and opened with “I Left My Heart in SFO”. Top notch.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:13 PM   #44
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No, it is depressing because it appears that nobody else here spends time following music. Most of the music references I have read so far have been examples of spoon-fed top 40 MTV type stuff. How uninteresting. For example, even though I hate country, it would be interesting to hear from someone who knows the genre really well and can recommend artists beyond Garth Brooks or Johnny Cash.

There is nothing wrong with liking popular music, per se, but it is a lazy approach. There is much better out there than what the radio tells you.

That being said, there are some diverse hobbies here....politics, classicisim, humanities, religious studies......one of my hobbies just happens to be music.
I don't think it's fair to judge anybody's musical tastes based on a thread about your favorite "mediocre" bands.

My favorite bands would include Dream Theater and Storyhill, among others, and I defy anyone to opine that those aren't immensely talented bands. I specifically listed Evanescence and Metallica as guilty pleasures, as they are indeed quite mediocre.

Music used to be my life. I used to be quite an accomplished guitar player, in a band, and constantly listening to all sorts of diverse music. That's all over now, and I admit to being much more lazy in my efforts to find decent music.

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I don't think it's fair to judge anybody's musical tastes based on a thread about your favorite "mediocre" bands.

Music used to be my life. I used to be quite an accomplished guitar player, in a band, and constantly listening to all sorts of diverse music. That's all over now, and I admit to being much more lazy in my efforts to find decent music.
I am not basing it on this thread, but rather on the dearth of interesting music discussion, in general. It is more a lament than an attack, though. I would rather talk about bad music than none at all.

Your admission to being lazy about music is exactly the point I am making...and it is likely what led you to bands like evanescence. When you were more serious about music, it is probably less likely that you would have invested time in them, but perhaps no. We all have our guilty pleasures, myself included.

Rock on for playing the guitar. That is a wonderful talent. I am a mediocre guitar player, at best, but enjoy it tremendously. I will play for my kids and we sing songs or primary tunes together. It is a lot of fun. I wish I had your skills, though. I am not being falsely modest, either. I suck. I would make an average rhythm guitarist. Noodling is not in my basket of tricks. Muddy Waters once said that he found it difficult to strum, so I take solace knowing that.
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I am not basing it on this thread, but rather on the dearth of interesting music discussion, in general. It is more a lament than an attack, though. I would rather talk about bad music than none at all.

Your admission to being lazy about music is exactly the point I am making...and it is likely what led you to bands like evanescence. When you were more serious about music, it is probably less likely that you would have invested time in them, but perhaps no. We all have our guilty pleasures, myself included.

Rock on for playing the guitar. That is a wonderful talent. I am a mediocre guitar player, at best, but enjoy it tremendously. I will play for my kids and we sing songs or primary tunes together. It is a lot of fun. I wish I had your skills, though. I am not being falsely modest, either. I suck. I would make an average rhythm guitarist. Noodling is not in my basket of tricks. Muddy Waters once said that he found it difficult to strum, so I take solace knowing that.
Yea it's interesting the specializations that form. John Petrucci doesn't seem to be able to play fingerstyle acoustic to save his life, but he can play metal-style as well as anybody. I remember Marty Friedman had to take time off from recording to figure out how to strum, since a song called for it and he hadn't done it in so long.

I'm more of a fingerstyle guy myself, and despite his metro-pop image, I find that John Mayer's stuff is among the most fun to play. The kid knows chord structure.

You're right that there's no way I ever would have given Evanescence the time of day before, but I listen to music so rarely anymore that they serve my modest purposes well enough now.
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I am not basing it on this thread, but rather on the dearth of interesting music discussion, in general. It is more a lament than an attack, though. I would rather talk about bad music than none at all.

Your admission to being lazy about music is exactly the point I am making...and it is likely what led you to bands like evanescence. When you were more serious about music, it is probably less likely that you would have invested time in them, but perhaps no. We all have our guilty pleasures, myself included.

Rock on for playing the guitar. That is a wonderful talent. I am a mediocre guitar player, at best, but enjoy it tremendously. I will play for my kids and we sing songs or primary tunes together. It is a lot of fun. I wish I had your skills, though. I am not being falsely modest, either. I suck. I would make an average rhythm guitarist. Noodling is not in my basket of tricks. Muddy Waters once said that he found it difficult to strum, so I take solace knowing that.
You're disappointed that there isn't more discussion abotu the sort of music that you like? So tell me, what makes 'good' music, in your mind, as opposed to medocre or crappy music? What should we look for? Is it lyrics? Melody? chord progression? The latest way to destroy a guitar in a video? WHat is it I should look for? This is obviously a flip way to ask what is actually intended to be a real quesiton, although I think you are approchin this in a rather elitist sounding way.

As to guitar playing, I have strummed abit here and there, but I wouldnt' want to embarrass myself in the presence of someone who is willing to proclainm publicly that they are an 'accomplished' guitarist. So I won't. Btw, I wish I couldn't strum like Muddy Waters, if you know what I mean.
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You're disappointed that there isn't more discussion abotu the sort of music that you like? So tell me, what makes 'good' music, in your mind, as opposed to medocre or crappy music? What should we look for? Is it lyrics? Melody? chord progression? The latest way to destroy a guitar in a video? WHat is it I should look for? This is obviously a flip way to ask what is actually intended to be a real quesiton, although I think you are approchin this in a rather elitist sounding way.

As to guitar playing, I have strummed abit here and there, but I wouldnt' want to embarrass myself in the presence of someone who is willing to proclainm publicly that they are an 'accomplished' guitarist. So I won't. Btw, I wish I couldn't strum like Muddy Waters, if you know what I mean.
I said dearth of interesting music discussion, not dearth of discussion of the music that I like. I also gave an example earlier of being interested in listening to someone who was versed in country music to talk more about it, even though I do NOT like that genre, simply as a way to get introduced to new stuff beyond the rank and file Garth Brooks and Johnny Cash.

My lament is that it does not seem that there are others here who enjoy music as an active hobby (be it good music or bad music). By active hobby, I mean, are you going to shows, are you out record shopping (or disc shopping), do you read about new bands or follow them, etc....OR, do you listen to the radio and determine what you like based off a playlist that some old stuffed suit at ClearChannel decided he wants you to hear and purchase? It isnt that big of a deal, though. I love talking about sports and politics, too.

Good music is like pornography. I know it when I see it....er, hear it.

Your guitar skills sound comparable to mine. I play for my children now, until they can get to an age where they can detect that I suck. Once that happens and they no longer appreciate my musings, I get revenge by putting them under tremendous pressure to excel athletically and academically.
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Your guitar skills sound comparable to mine. I play for my children now, until they can get to an age where they can detect that I suck. Once that happens and they no longer appreciate my musings, I get revenge by putting them under tremendous pressure to excel athletically and academically.
I think Creekster is being "falsely modest". IIRC, he plays or has played in a band.
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I think Creekster is being "falsely modest". IIRC, he plays or has played in a band.
In that case, I still weigh in as the resident sucky guitarist.

Shame on creekster for being a charlatan.

unless he was actually in the Charlatans UK, in which case, that would be cool and interesting.
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