(Im)mutability of cross-gender attraction?

[SeattleUte]

Guys, I've been thinking and thinking, and it occurs to me maybe a sub-issue in this whole gay marriage debate is whether heterosexuality is immutable. Does anybody have any studies about whether dudes choose to like chicks or vice versa? Can we keep this discussion civil and avoid the usual bickering? Thanks in advance. I'm glad there's a place like CG where I can come and share such deep thoughts and debate such murky and fascinating questions.

[creekster]

This is rather petty, isn't it?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

This is rather petty, isn't it?

I don't think I chose to be attracted to women. I feel pretty certain of that. You?

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I don't think I chose to be attracted to women. I feel pretty certain of that. You?

You know what I meant.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

You know what I meant.

True story. I think I've been reading too many briefs and cases tonight because the first three times I saw your post I thought you said, "This is rather pretty." I thought, WTF? So not until just now did I know what you meant.

I do, however, think I make a rather self-evident point. Aren't we, heterosexuals, as well witnesses concerning whether sexual preference is a choice? If not for us, why for gays? Of course, as I've said all along, I don't really think this is a close question that deserves much discussion, partly for this reason. The whole of humans knows the answer.

How galling to hate fellow humans for an immutable characteristic.

[All-American]

http://www.logcabin.org/lef/choice_white_paper.html
http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.html#whatis
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feat...by-choice.html

[CardiacCoug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I do, however, think I make a rather self-evident point. Aren't we, heterosexuals, as well witnesses concerning whether sexual preference is a choice? If not for us, why for gays?

I completely agree. That's pretty much what I said here: http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...932#post252932

That said, there are clearly some switch hitters out there, but they are even more rare than switch hitters in baseball these days.

[T Blue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Guys, I've been thinking and thinking, and it occurs to me maybe a sub-issue in this whole gay marriage debate is whether heterosexuality is immutable. Does anybody have any studies about whether dudes choose to like chicks or vice versa? Can we keep this discussion civil and avoid the usual bickering? Thanks in advance. I'm glad there's a place like CG where I can come and share such deep thoughts and debate such murky and fascinating questions.

*Click* Yes you have crossed into Douche status from just being a Prick.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Guys, I've been thinking and thinking, and it occurs to me maybe a sub-issue in this whole gay marriage debate is whether heterosexuality is immutable. Does anybody have any studies about whether dudes choose to like chicks or vice versa? Can we keep this discussion civil and avoid the usual bickering? Thanks in advance. I'm glad there's a place like CG where I can come and share such deep thoughts and debate such murky and fascinating questions.

Chalk up another case in point of why the Word of Wisdom is a good thing.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

True story. I think I've been reading too many briefs and cases tonight because the first three times I saw your post I thought you said, "This is rather pretty." I thought, WTF? So not until just now did I know what you meant.

I do, however, think I make a rather self-evident point. Aren't we, heterosexuals, as well witnesses concerning whether sexual preference is a choice? If not for us, why for gays? Of course, as I've said all along, I don't really think this is a close question that deserves much discussion, partly for this reason. The whole of humans knows the answer.

How galling to hate fellow humans for an immutable characteristic.

I think you're still trying to set up the wrong test, or at least an incomplete one. I don't think anyone ever chooses to feel an emotion, urge or desire. They chose what they do in response to that emotion,urge or desire, unless you don't believe in the concept of free will. I think those who say that it is "mutable" are only really saying that one can learn not to act on those desires anyway.

So I still say that the only question is whether, in the case of gay marriage, there are the reasons, moral or otherwise, to allow it or not allow it. Maybe you can persuade me I am wrong, however. Can you think of some other action which is the result immutable emotion, urge or desire (because it is feelings that define homosexuality and heterosexuality) that we protect or at least do not prohibit solely on that basis? I can't think of anything but there could certainly be something obvious I have overlooked.