01-24-2007, 01:02 AM | #11 |
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Do the Turks share the values of other EU members and vice versa?
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01-24-2007, 01:07 AM | #12 |
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is it me or is this like Utah or Byu trying to join the pac10
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01-24-2007, 01:19 AM | #13 | |
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In addition, Turkey has a problem with a large Kurdish seperatist movement, with which the government has been known to crack down on very hard. The dealings with the Kurds, adn the attendant human rights abuses are a large part of the reason that Europe has been able to exclude the Turks from serious integration talks. Recently, the Turkish state has made a serious legal commitment (practical application of this commitment may leave something to be desired) to the embrace of human rights and has dropped some of the de jure discrimination against Kurds. Ironically, many of these reforms came during the government of a moderate islamist, Erdogan (IIrC). It seems that the moderate Islamists (think moderately religious Christians) are perhaps the best hope for a more open embrace of European style values, because they have greater credibility with the average Turk. However, this makes Europe a little nervous. |
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-- They look and see 2+ million Turks in Germany as well as expanding poor Islamic populations in their own countries (France is 10 percent Muslim now and growing) and fear the repercussions of open borders with Turkey. -- They don't want to lose more jobs to another lower cost entrant (firms are already relocating to new members in Eastern Europe). -- Intra-EU politics would become much more difficult and the impact might take Europe in a direction that current members don't want to go. Turkey would come in as the second most populace country in the EU, giving it immediate clout in EU institutions and policies, effectively diluting the power of France and Germany (France in particular since it would be supplanted as the second most populace EU member). In addition to the political and economic impacts, bringing in 70 million Turks, most of whom are religiously conservative, would heavily impact pan-European social policy. -- And finally, as noted above, I see a certain amount of bigotry/racism involved in opposition to Turkey's entry. "Turkey is in Asia, not Europe!" These attitudes can be changed, but I think there is going to have to be a lot of effort on the part of Western European elites as well as Turkey itself. I’m optimistic that in the end, Turkey will be granted entrance. But give current thinking in Western Europe, it’s going to take a long time. I wonder if the Turks are patient enough to wait that long.
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Does France blame Bush for this as well?
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-- 35-hour work week and automatic five weeks of paid vacation per year. -- Inability to let people go after they have worked for the firm for over six months. Even if the firm can prove just cause for letting someone go, it usually must pay some form of severance compensation. This also includes women that can go out on paid maternity leave for up to three years and are guaranteed to have the same job when they return. Try managing that personnel gap. -- French trade unions that happily go on strike. -- Heavy tax burden associated with sustaining generous social security system. Opening that manufacturing plant in Poland suddenly looks much more attractive.
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Wow. How much are firms taxed? How about the workforce?
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Taxation in the EU from 1995-2004 Moral of this story: Go east young man; or go to Ireland.
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The 35-hour work week will become a thing of the past only if employers are willing to compenesate their workers for those 4 extra hours a week. Currently employers must give workers 8 more vacation days a year to make up for those 4 extra hours (for a total of 6 1/2 weeks of paid vacation per year). For the most part, employers will stick with the 35-hour work week.
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