Men on a Mission Calendars

[Levin]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I think they should excommunicate Janice Perry and Lex deAzavedo for years of crappy music that people undoubtedly associate with the church.
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LOL!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I think they should excommunicate Janice Perry and Lex deAzavedo for years of crappy music that people undoubtedly associate with the church.

That's a movement I could probably support.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Adam

So much for only casting out only unrepentant sinners, but still fellowshiping them. Now we excommunicate people who publish pictures of guys chests.

This is what I don't really get. I agree that it was in poor taste, but what sin has been committed here? What moral wrong has occurred?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Adam

Only if you define "welcoming them at church" to mean telling them they can sit quietly in the corner and not speak. Only if it means they can walk in the door but aren't deemed worthy to pass out the program or bring the treats for nursery. If this is your idea of welcoming them to attend church, then yea, they are welcome. Welcome to sit and drink a big ol' can of shut the hell up.

We've already covered this, Adam. One doesn't need to hold a calling or be able to speak from the pulpit to be ministered to.

Originally Posted by UtahDan

That is true, people everywhere were probably associating that calendar with the church. I mean, seriously Tex? I think they should excommunicate Janice Perry and Lex deAzavedo for years of crappy music that people undoubtedly associate with the church.

Maybe they got back there and said what can we do to call the maximum amount of attention to this thing? How can we martyr this guy and reinforce some negative stereotypes about the church? Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

Hey, you asked. Sorry, was that a rhetorical question? You'd prefer that I adopt the Adam-paranoia approach and suggest the entire high council was populated by homophobes exercising unrighteous dominion?

My guess is, had the guy published his calendar and left the church out of it, they likely would've left him alone. It was the overt marketing association with the church and its missionary movement that got him into hot water.

[Gidget]

Originally Posted by Tex

Obviously we don't know the reasoning of the council, but the handbook cites three purposes of discipline (from memory): (1) to save the transgressor, (2) to protect the innocent, and (3) to protect the good name of the church.

I suspect that this situation was precipitated by the need for the 3rd.

Exactly why I feel like speaking your beliefs is an action, and one that can and should be disciplined (when appropriate) when you are a member of the Church. Protecting the name of the Church is important. It's protection for all members.

[MikeWaters]

this leads me to believe that a LDS photographer doing boudoir photography for clients could be excommunicated.

or that a female LDS actress who stars in a movie where she wears a bikini could be brought before a disciplinary council (as apparently some of the models in the calendar were).

well, you made a calendar where guys had their shirts off and talked about theiri missions and testimony. You don't pay tithing, you don't wear garments, it's pretty much a slam-dunk case of excommunication. ????

Feminists, gays, now calendar producers. What's next? Mailmen? Daycare workers?

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

This is what I don't really get. I agree that it was in poor taste, but what sin has been committed here? What moral wrong has occurred?

My guess is some local authority told him to knock it off. He told them to kiss off.

He should have been a man about it and just asked to have his records removed. Instead he made a spectacle of himself and IMHO, the church also gave grounds to those who see an FLDS component alive and well.

Why don't these people just politely resign from the fold.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Feminists, gays, now calendar producers. What's next? Mailmen? Daycare workers?

Trolls who run message boards.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Tex

Trolls who run message boards.

They can't ex me. They don't have anyone to be scoutmaster.

[Ceteris Paribus]

Originally Posted by Tex

I suspect that this situation was precipitated by the need for the 3rd.

Backfired. DC brought more negative publicity. Should have let it die natural death.