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Old 07-08-2008, 11:29 PM   #201
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I'm only miserable b/c I'm in an office building right now instead of out West enjoying our public lands.

Lamespoke is miserable b/c he hates poetry, beauty, life, and truth. He feeds his gut; that's all.
I dunno. Landpoke's appreciation for all that is clear to me.

Ever thought that his enjoyment of federal lands really does come from helping to provide you easterners with the oil you depend on?
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:36 PM   #202
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As I said in the other thread I'm quite content.
What I do despise, however, is hypocrisy and I believe it's the height of hypocrisy to pretend humans, at a base level, care about anything other than themselves.
It's because I care so much about myself that I make the decisions I do. You define "usefulness" so differently than I do. You define it with your gut, or, as you said, "at a base level."

Caring about endangered species is good for you. It makes you less selfish.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:45 PM   #203
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I guess I'm not up on how things are done in cloudcuckoo land. Here in the real world all great things are accomplished throught deliberate selfishness.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:51 AM   #204
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I haven't followed this thread too closely but let me see if I can help poke make his point. I was taking a deposition of a witness once in an environmental class action we were defending against a pulp mill in Alaska. I asked the witness to list the environmental groups in which she was an active member (to establish bias). She listed a litany, practically every one you could think of. Then she paused and pointedly said she didn't belong to the Wilderness Society. I asked her why, and she said her husband commercial fished and the Wilderness Society was opposed to fishing in Glacier Bay National Park. That said it all.

Anyone who claims they'd sacrifice their livelihood or even take a pay cut for the stellar sea lions or the spotted owl or old growth is probably a liar. I know Levin likes to think of himself as for endangered species, but he'd trade them for money. It's all mental. He has his price. So does Waters, I venture.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:52 AM   #205
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I haven't followed this thread too closely but let me see if I can help poke make his point. I was taking a deposition of a witness once in an environmental class action we were defending against a pulp mill in Alaska. I asked the witness to list the environmental groups in which she was an active member (to establish bias). She listed a litany, practically every one you could think of. Then she paused and pointedly said she didn't belong to the Wilderness Society. I asked her why, and she said her husband commercial fished and the Wilderness Society was opposed to fishing in Glacier Bay National Park. That said it all.

Anyone who claims they'd sacrifice their livelihood or even take a pay cut for the stellar sea lions or the spotted owl or old growth is probably a liar. I know Levin likes to think of himself as for endangered species, but he'd trade them for money. But it's all mental. He has his price. So does Waters, I venture.
Like I said before, you defend corporate interests against the environment and conservation. It says as much on your bio.
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:00 AM   #206
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Like I said before, you defend corporate interests against the environment and conservation. It says as much on your bio.
Not all of us can be crusading researchers without bias or guile. Isn't the crux to have a debate, not to decide our economy should always lose?
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Not all of us can be crusading researchers without bias or guile. Isn't the crux to have a debate, not to decide our economy should always lose?
Not all of us choose to buy chef-prepared dinners every night on the backs of pollution and environmental destruction.

I hope SU's kids know what he did someday. He got rich off Goliath, and put a bullet in David's head.

SU never could stand an underdog, never could handle the sneer of the elites.
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Not all of us choose to buy chef-prepared dinners every night on the backs of pollution and environmental destruction.

I hope SU's kids know what he did someday. He got rich off Goliath, and put a bullet in David's head.

SU never could stand an underdog, never could handle the sneer of the elites.
You're lying.
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I asked her why, and she said her husband commercial fished and the Wilderness Society was opposed to fishing in Glacier Bay National Park. That said it all.

Anyone who claims they'd sacrifice their livelihood or even take a pay cut for the stellar sea lions or the spotted owl or old growth is probably a liar. I know Levin likes to think of himself as for endangered species, but he'd trade them for money. It's all mental. He has his price. So does Waters, I venture.
I read that the Hay's Spring Amphipod is endangered in DC. I think it's time to take out the Wilderness Society headquarters to revive its habitat...
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I read that the Hay's Spring Amphipod is endangered in DC. I think it's time to take out the Wilderness Society headquarters to revive its habitat...
Sure, whatever you say. The respect for life is worth it.
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