cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board  

Go Back   cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board > non-Sports > Current Events

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-05-2008, 05:10 AM   #1
Jeff Lebowski
Charon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo)
Posts: 9,564
Jeff Lebowski is on a distinguished road
Default Steven Jones Update

From today's Deseret News:

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695275973,00.html

Basically, it is an update on the sad, pathetic journey of Steven Jones and the empty shell of his career. Like all grand-conspiracy theorists, he bounces from one dubious tidbit to the next; always finding one additional piece of minutiae to latch onto as each of his questions is systematically repudiated. What an embarrassment to BYU and Stanford.

As an example of how crazy this all is, his foil-capped groupies have been completely energized by the fact that he was finally "published in a peer-reviewed civil engineering journal". They obviously feel vindication that the "truth" is finally starting to be recognized by the scientific community. But this is more nonsense. Here is a copy of this so-called paper:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...1/35TOCIEJ.SGM

First of all, this is not a well-respected civil engineering journal. This is where one goes when one is really desperate for a "peer-reviewed" publication. More importantly, this is NOT his original paper that garnered so much controversy. In fact, it is not even a research paper. It is simply a "letter" (see the abstract) outlining fourteen points where the authors agree with the NIST report and concluding with an appeal for more cooperation in the investigation. Vindication? Not even close.

Interestingly, former-Prof. Jones say he is moving to Sanpete County. I am guessing he will find a receptive audience there.
__________________
"... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Jeff Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 12:43 PM   #2
MikeWaters
Demiurge
 
MikeWaters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36,363
MikeWaters is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

why does the article say that the people charged with figuring out how the buildings collapsed can't say why?
MikeWaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 01:52 PM   #3
Jeff Lebowski
Charon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo)
Posts: 9,564
Jeff Lebowski is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeWaters View Post
why does the article say that the people charged with figuring out how the buildings collapsed can't say why?
Perhaps because that's what Steven Jones told him and Tad Walch is not a good enough reporter to double-check.
__________________
"... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Jeff Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 01:53 PM   #4
Indy Coug
Senior Member
 
Indy Coug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Between Iraq and a hard place
Posts: 7,569
Indy Coug is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Good ol' Steven Jones. My Physics 122 professor.
Indy Coug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 02:03 PM   #5
MikeWaters
Demiurge
 
MikeWaters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36,363
MikeWaters is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

http://www.911blogger.com/node/12538

It was apparently a letter from NIST to Jones et al.
MikeWaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 02:09 PM   #6
MikeWaters
Demiurge
 
MikeWaters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36,363
MikeWaters is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
Perhaps because that's what Steven Jones told him and Tad Walch is not a good enough reporter to double-check.
In your desire to criticize Jones, you've committed the error that you accuse Walch of committing: not double-checking.

http://journalof911studies.com/volum...urleyEtal2.pdf

Amazing that because firefighters did not see explosives, there were no explosives!

Does that count as rigorous thinking?
MikeWaters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 02:15 PM   #7
Indy Coug
Senior Member
 
Indy Coug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Between Iraq and a hard place
Posts: 7,569
Indy Coug is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

So what do the 911 conspiracy nutjobs think was the intended fate of Flight 93? What government demolition job did those passengers thwart?
Indy Coug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 02:18 PM   #8
Jeff Lebowski
Charon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo)
Posts: 9,564
Jeff Lebowski is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indy Coug View Post
So what do the 911 conspiracy nutjobs think was the intended fate of Flight 93? What government demolition job did those passengers thwart?
They think there was no Flight 93. They think that the crater in Pa. was caused by a missile. And that the cell phone calls home to relatives were all done by actors involved in the conspiracy.
__________________
"... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 05-05-2008 at 02:24 PM.
Jeff Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 02:19 PM   #9
Indy Coug
Senior Member
 
Indy Coug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Between Iraq and a hard place
Posts: 7,569
Indy Coug is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
They think there was no Flight 93. They think that the crater in Pa. was caused by a missle. And that the cell phone calls home to relatives were all done by actors involved in the conspiracy.
Are you serious?
Indy Coug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2008, 02:22 PM   #10
Jeff Lebowski
Charon
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo)
Posts: 9,564
Jeff Lebowski is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeWaters View Post
In your desire to criticize Jones, you've committed the error that you accuse Walch of committing: not double-checking.

http://journalof911studies.com/volum...urleyEtal2.pdf

Amazing that because firefighters did not see explosives, there were no explosives!

Does that count as rigorous thinking?
LOL.

Piecing together the exact sequence of events of the collapse is a forensic exercise. The NIST letter admits that they don't have a perfect understanding of 100% of the details (which is to be expected). Jones twists this around to imply that they "don't know why the towers collapsed." But the overwhelming body of evidence is that the towers collapsed due to the impact of the planes and the subsequent fires.

BTW, the NIST is only one of many groups that studied the collapse.
__________________
"... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Jeff Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
9/11, 911, conspiracy, jones, stephen

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.