Last night I'm driving home from work at like 7:00

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Which would be a good reason to call the MMM film that just came out a biggotted film. Right??

Zing!

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

Oh brother. Wanting secure borders and an immigration policy has nothing to do with race. The open borders crowd, and people like you are the ones that always play the race card. There's nothing racist about demanding the federal government to fulfill their constitutional duty of controlling our nation's borders.

Historically, immigration discourse is filled with racism. This is a fact, and one that I have studied in the context of the immigrants who came to this country in the 1920s and 1930s. Your ignorance of history does not constitute an argument, and does not change the context of immigration discourse.

Also, from whence the accusation that I am in the "open borders crowd?"

I hope the borders are secure in the short term, but in the long term the nation state appears to be in decline as a form of governance. Huge masses of people live as refugees. Nationalism is giving way to localism. Metanarratives splinter into fragments. The citizen declines while the nomad consumer rises.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Which would be a good reason to call the MMM film that just came out a biggotted film. Right??

I hope you don't think I've defended that film. Cite?

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

It is also a well-known form of racism and nativism to use a sinlge bad act by a member of a minority or immigrant class to inflame majority prejudices and hatreds against the minority class.

Why are you playing the race card again? It doesn't matter what these murderers' race is! What matters is that they entered the country illegally, and already had been arrested before the murders! ANYONE arrested should have their background checked to determine if they are even in this country legally. If they are not, they should be deported, unless they are going to be persecuted, and jailed.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Oh brother, we have an angry white man here. I'm sorry you feel they are occupying attractive jobs you would like to have. Why don't you tend your own garden? Try worrying about only NorCat. How about sprucing up your resume, going to night school?

Damn right I am angry. People are getting killed, and crimes are being committed by people that shouldn't even be in this country in the first place because our government is not doing their job...not just once be letting these people in, but by not kicking them out once they commit their first crime.

Anyone who is not angry about this (you?), I suppose does not care about people being murdered.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I hope you don't think I've defended that film. Cite?

I thought you were in the camp that thought the film makers had the story correct as far a BY's involvement. If I misunderstood you then I apologize.

Nice to know we agree on somethings. The film makers are protraying what may be fiction at best and are presenting a biggoted film at worst.

A conservative and liberal can agree on some things.

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

Historically, immigration discourse is filled with racism. This is a fact, and one that I have studied in the context of the immigrants who came to this country in the 1920s and 1930s. Your ignorance of history does not constitute an argument, and does not change the context of immigration discourse.

Also, from whence the accusation that I am in the "open borders crowd?"

I hope the borders are secure in the short term, but in the long term the nation state appears to be in decline as a form of governance. Huge masses of people live as refugees. Nationalism is giving way to localism. Metanarratives splinter into fragments. The citizen declines while the nomad consumer rises.

Don't preach to me about history. This discussion has nothing to do with history. I am talking about the reasons why I want the borders secured, and an immigration policy implemented. It has nothing to do with race for me.

I didn't say you were in the open borders crowd. I said "open borders crowd, and people like you..." see that comma there?!

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I thought you were in the camp that thought the film makers had the story correct as far a BY's involvement. If I misunderstood you then I apologize.

Nice to know we agree on somethings. The film makers are protraying what may be fiction at best and are presenting a biggoted film at worst.

A conservative and liberal can agree on some things.

I don't really have an opionion on the film or whether BY ordered the hit. I was interested to see that you suggested it didn't matter to you whether he did.

I'm not a "liberal."

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

Damn right I am angry. People are getting killed, and crimes are being committed by people that shouldn't even be in this country in the first place because our government is not doing their job...not just once be letting these people in, but by not kicking them out once they commit their first crime.

Anyone who is not angry about this (you?), I suppose does not care about people being murdered.

I'm Howard Beal and I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

Don't preach to me about history. This discussion has nothing to do with history. I am talking about the reasons why I want the borders secured, and an immigration policy implemented. It has nothing to do with race for me.

I didn't say you were in the open borders crowd. I said "open borders crowd, and people like you..." see that comma there?!

You're not wanting the discussion to intersect history does not change the fact that it does.

Oh, and thank you for telling me what kind of person I am.