The most pessismistic Romney article yet

[creekster]

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

Is that TIC?

What would be the point of proselyting? The outcome for a fatalist would already be determined and no amount of work could change it.

Nope. Not TIC. I guess I'm not as smart as you.

Given that there are all sorts and degrees of fatalism, and given that the only one that has called what Archaea said 'fatalism' is you (at least I don't recall that he ever said that), and given that you were the only one that has so far said his approach has no point whatsoever, I thought there might be something more I was missing besides your feeling that it is a self-evident truth. Sorry.

If one is a fatalist, why not let other people know they are wasting their time?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

For someone so fatalistic, why do you continue to talk about politics? You apparently have come to the conclusion that nothing can be done to improve the nation or politics. If so, why does your personal philosophy require that you persuade the rest of us that you are correct? Your attempts at persuasion seem to run counter to your fatalism.

I won't even start with your Hillary nonsense.

Unless you know Hillary personally or better than my Arkansas contacts, it's not nonsense. You may naively buy into her crapola, but so be it; you're young and inexperienced.

Unless, you've financed, run and particpated in campaigns from grass roots to upper management, then you won't understand my frustration.

Most people involved in politics start out naively, bright-eyed and bushy tailed, moving from that to the outrage of the newly informed, to the hardened pragmatists who try to get done what can be done until you reach burnout.

These people are scum. They develop this style of never answering a question, never showing true emotion and basically ridding themselves of their own humanity all the while feeding their own egomaniacal tendencies.

There are large movements that change society in a Hegelian sense, but individuals don't make a difference in the macrosense. In your local community, you make a difference, but in the large picture, you're an ant trying to stop a glacier. You can either move aside or move to the top of the berg to ride along, but stopping it won't happen through your actions, despite all the mindless philosophies to the contrary. One affects the micro, not the macro; it's in the math.

Christ was the only exception, and most his accomplishments affected the macro decades later.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

Is that TIC?

What would be the point of proselyting? The outcome for a fatalist would already be determined and no amount of work could change it.

Then if a fatalist was correct, he/she could save us all from wasting a bunch of time.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by creekster

Nope. Not TIC. I guess I'm not as smart as you.

Given that there are all sorts and degrees of fatalism, and given that the only one that has called what Archaea said 'fatalism' is you (at least I don't recall that he ever said that), and given that you were the only one that has so far said his approach has no point whatsoever, I thought there might be something more I was missing besides your feeling that it is a self-evident truth. Sorry.

If one is a fatalist, why not let other people know they are wasting their time?

I was responding to this quote from Archaea:

Originally Posted by Archaea

Build your wealth, serve your Church and find an island, cuz there IS nothing you can do. Good people get squashed and the only ones who gain power at the NATIONAL level are power grubbing, dishonest POS.

If that isn't fatalistic, I don't know what is. If there is truly "nothing you can do" other than "find an island" what is the point of complaining about things or arguing with others to see your point?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

Then if a fatalist was correct, he/she could save us all from wasting a bunch of time.

lol! I suppose you have a point there...

[Archaea]

Fatalism is not what I mean. Forces beyond our control, by our I mean the average middle class citizenry. If one belongs to a part of the ruling oligarchy, one affects change only by following the oligarchy.

Mexico is a stark example of this syndrome, and the US is simply far more sophisticated but we work upon the same principles. It's the fools who believe the average bloke has a say who are fooling themselves.

Things are predetermined as the fatalist says. They are beyond the average man's control. That's different as nothing is determined, just beyond control.