Refs awful

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by creekster

Not in this thread, you are whining. Calling it ridiculous is whining. Moreover pretending you're somehow better than the whiners becasue you mock smacks of pseudo-intellectualism.

I forgot, you are a Jazz fan, so you are a bit upset, you are touchy, you are frustrated.

Sorry. Your pain will likely be over by Sunday.

[TheSizzle36]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Rock, I have always been with you....there IS superstar treatment in the NBA. Of course there is. Kobe will always get his calls. This isnt new or unique to this series.

I dont think it is significant, no. In Utah, Fish got saddled with quick calls on both nights. The Lakers lost two straight and were literally minutes away from LOSING last night.

The Jazz had plenty of chances to win last night. They could not convert. Pretty simple. Okur missed a free throw that would have given them a one point lead. AK missed a layup. Sasha threw up another 3-pointer and it bounced to a wide open Gasol under the basket.

Making excuses is lame. I wont do it. If the Lakers lose this series (which they very well could, since I think they will lose on Friday), it wont be because of refs. It will be because one team played better than the other.

Did the Jazz blow chances? Yes. I don't think anybody is debating that at all. The Jazz made a lot of mistakes down the stretch. But you cannot say that the officiating had no effect on the outcome of the game either.

*Vujacic bouncing the ball out of bounds, and the ref on top of the play calls nothing, but the ref on the other side of the court calls a foul
*Harpring not touching Luke Walton on his turnaround air-ball
*An And 1 for Lamar when he blows by Boozer and doesn't get touched
*An And 1 for Kobe when he drives and doesn't get touched
*Gasol shoving Memo in the back for the wide open rebound you mentioned above

Those are 5 calls right there that were not just off, they were WAY off and directly had an impact on the outcome of the game.

Did the Jazz blow chances? Absolutely. Did the Jazz have breaks go against them? Without a doubt. Was the combination of the two too much to overcome? Yes.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by TheSizzle36

*Vujacic bouncing the ball out of bounds, and the ref on top of the play calls nothing, but the ref on the other side of the court calls a foul
*Harpring not touching Luke Walton on his turnaround air-ball
*An And 1 for Lamar when he blows by Boozer and doesn't get touched
*An And 1 for Kobe when he drives and doesn't get touched
*Gasol shoving Memo in the back for the wide open rebound you mentioned above

Do you honestly think someone else couldn't just as easily come up with 5 instances going in the other direction?

[creekster]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I forgot, you are a Jazz fan, so you are a bit upset, you are touchy, you are frustrated.

Sorry. Your pain will likely be over by Sunday.

Thank you. I also need to remember that you are a laker fan and they tend to be arrogant and lack appreciation for the tender treatment their team receives. But you are a very special type of laker fan who pretends to be above the plebian interests of most fans of either side but who is unable to stop 'mocking' the complaints of fans of laker opponents but pretends that becasue it is 'mocking' and not whining it is clearly a superior option.

You're right, of course. Just as Winston Churchil would be sober in the morning, I iwll feel better one way or the other come Tuesday. You, however, will still be what you are: a Lakers fan.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Point taken and I respect it. I don't think the refs are the reason why the Jazz lost, but I still contend it's a significant factor on both sides.

To me, there's no worse subjective officiating in major sports than in the NBA. I know you disagree and feel it's baseball and I'm cool with that. Just different points of view.

Actually, I threw the baseball out for conversation. I can see the NBA argument. I just have no way of knowing if it is significant.

When I say that I do not think it was significant last night, here is why I say so:

1. No team took a large lead over the other (15-20 points)
2. No key players fouled out
3. Game was tied a couple of times in the middle of the fourth quarter, giving both teams a shot down the stretch
4. Both teams went into the bonus with more than 5 mins left to play in the game.
5. The game did not come down to the last play. It ended with one team trying to foul 3-5 times to catch up
6. The losing team's superstar (Boozer) had a satistically sub-par game, again.

There were some bad calls last night, yes. There have been bad calls every night and in every game. But I dont see how refs had a significant impact last night. Both teams had a shot.

Let's see how many Jazz fans have a problem tomorrow night when the Jazz win Game 6.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by TheSizzle36

Did the Jazz blow chances? Yes. I don't think anybody is debating that at all. The Jazz made a lot of mistakes down the stretch. But you cannot say that the officiating had no effect on the outcome of the game either.

*Vujacic bouncing the ball out of bounds, and the ref on top of the play calls nothing, but the ref on the other side of the court calls a foul
*Harpring not touching Luke Walton on his turnaround air-ball
*An And 1 for Lamar when he blows by Boozer and doesn't get touched
*An And 1 for Kobe when he drives and doesn't get touched
*Gasol shoving Memo in the back for the wide open rebound you mentioned above

Those are 5 calls right there that were not just off, they were WAY off and directly had an impact on the outcome of the game.

Did the Jazz blow chances? Absolutely. Did the Jazz have breaks go against them? Without a doubt. Was the combination of the two too much to overcome? Yes.

Sizzle, do me a favor. I know you love basketball and watch lots of games.

List 5 bad calls that went the Jazz's way in Games 3 and 4.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Actually, I threw the baseball out for conversation. I can see the NBA argument. I just have no way of knowing if it is significant.

When I say that I do not think it was significant last night, here is why I say so:

1. No team took a large lead over the other (15-20 points)
2. No key players fouled out
3. Game was tied a couple of times in the middle of the fourth quarter, giving both teams a shot down the stretch
4. Both teams went into the bonus with more than 5 mins left to play in the game.
5. The game did not come down to the last play. It ended with one team trying to foul 3-5 times to catch up
6. The losing team's superstar (Boozer) had a satistically sub-par game, again.

There were some bad calls last night, yes. There have been bad calls every night and in every game. But I dont see how refs had a significant impact last night. Both teams had a shot.

Let's see how many Jazz fans have a problem tomorrow night when the Jazz win Game 6.

The fact that the game was close is exactly why the refs role was somewhat larger last night. No one complains if the Jazz lose by 20.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Actually, I threw the baseball out for conversation. I can see the NBA argument. I just have no way of knowing if it is significant.

When I say that I do not think it was significant last night, here is why I say so:

1. No team took a large lead over the other (15-20 points)
2. No key players fouled out
3. Game was tied a couple of times in the middle of the fourth quarter, giving both teams a shot down the stretch
4. Both teams went into the bonus with more than 5 mins left to play in the game.
5. The game did not come down to the last play. It ended with one team trying to foul 3-5 times to catch up
6. The losing team's superstar (Boozer) had a satistically sub-par game, again.

There were some bad calls last night, yes. There have been bad calls every night and in every game. But I dont see how refs had a significant impact last night. Both teams had a shot.

Let's see how many Jazz fans have a problem tomorrow night when the Jazz win Game 6.

I mostly agree and I believe that because of how close the game that it made the bevy of ridiculous calls that much worse and more intrusive into the outcome.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by creekster

Thank you. I also need to remember that you are a laker fan and they tend to be arrogant and lack appreciation for the tender treatment their team receives. But you are a very special type of laker fan who pretends to be above the plebian interests of most fans of either side but who is unable to stop 'mocking' the complaints of fans of laker opponents but pretends that becasue it is 'mocking' and not whining it is clearly a superior option.

You're right, of course. Just as Winston Churchil would be sober in the morning, I iwll feel better one way or the other come Tuesday. You, however, will still be what you are: a Lakers fan.

In honor of Winston Churchill, we Laker fans will allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing after this series is over....but let us not forget for a moment the toil and efforts that lie ahead.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by creekster

Thank you. I also need to remember that you are a laker fan and they tend to be arrogant and lack appreciation for the tender treatment their team receives. But you are a very special type of laker fan who pretends to be above the plebian interests of most fans of either side but who is unable to stop 'mocking' the complaints of fans of laker opponents but pretends that becasue it is 'mocking' and not whining it is clearly a superior option.

You're right, of course. Just as Winston Churchil would be sober in the morning, I iwll feel better one way or the other come Tuesday. You, however, will still be what you are: a Lakers fan.

DDD arrogant? Nah...cmon. Are you really that surprised he's a Lakers fan?