Either the Lakers or Spurs

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Junkie, I have a feeling that when the dust settles and you really consider all the hoops you have watched, Game 3 of Spurs Suns round 1 is NOT going to rank as the greatest you have ever seen a team play in the post-season.

Spurs would beat the Jazz, no question. We may all have the chance to see that matchup, actually.

Maybe because it is fresh in my mind you are right, but in recent memory it is the greatest single game performance I have seen in a long long time.

Charles Barkley and Bill Simmons both agree with me (not sure if this hurts or helps my case).

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Let me add that Paul had Kidd guarding him, you dont think he is a great defender do you?

Parker averaged 29.6 points and 7 assists against Phoenix. While Shooting 54% from the floor.

Paul had good numbers 24 points 12 assists against Dallas but he also shot less than 50% from the floor, and had a 4-18 night. Even in San Antonios blowout loss Parker was 7-17.

Kidd is not a great defender. But he is better than Steve-O. And the Mavs, as a team are better than the Suns defensively. Parker had a great series, I think Paul was better, especially considring the defensive end.

I doubt very seriously that you will be swayed by my argument.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by Detroitdad

Kidd is not a great defender. But he is better than Steve-O. And the Mavs, as a team are better than the Suns defensively. Parker had a great series, I think Paul was better, especially considring the defensive end.

I doubt very seriously that you will be swayed by my argument.

I think Paul is a better point guard than Tony Parker, but I think come playoff time I wouldnt want anyone else on my team.

I dont think you are reading my argument, because Nash did not guard Parker. He guarded Parker for less than 10% of the possessions. Raja Bell, Grant Hill and Boris Diaw guarded Parker and they are all better defenders than Kidd.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

I think Paul is a better point guard than Tony Parker, but I think come playoff time I wouldnt want anyone else on my team.

I dont think you are reading my argument, because Nash did not guard Parker. He guarded Parker for less than 10% of the possessions. Raja Bell, Grant Hill and Boris Diaw guarded Parker and they are all better defenders than Kidd.

Maybe I did not take that into account. But I do recall that an enormous number of Parker's points came off the pick and roll, particularly picking on Shaq, and the atrocious rotation that Phoenix had going in the series.

Regardless 24 and 12 is more points than 29 and seven. Furthermore, Parker's production (presuming a two point value for each assist just for ease) accounted for 41.1% of the Spurs offensive production (43 points out of 104.4 ppg) vs. 46.96% of the Hornets production. Which means that Paul was 14% more valuable to his team as a percentage of his teams offensive production.

How is that for an Indy Coug argument? Of course I realize that there is no such thing as a conclusive quantative argument, my judgment says that Paul is better. Yours says that Parker was better. Of course, most would question our opinions because you like an abomination of basketball team, and I am a basketball satan worshiper (laker's fan). Where does that leave us..? At an impasse.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Are you suggesting the odds of the Jazz making the finals approximate the odds of you winning the Powerball? Or is this another instance of you thinking a difference between two statistics is meaningless?

What I mean is the probability of both is so remote that it's not worth arguing what will happen beyond those events (Jazz going to Finals or winning the Powerball).

Only a slobbering idiot would think I was actually saying that the odds of the Jazz going to the NBA Finals was greater than 100,000,000:1.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

McGrady is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. Look at his career FG and 3-pt %s and FT percentages. THey are low. And they are worse in the playoffs. And each year he is getting worse in terms of his skills.

He is. I read an article proposing T-mac is a better player than Kobe a few years ago. It was silly then, and they've gone in opposing directions since then.


Luckily for T-Mac, the team surrounding him is better than he's ever enjoyed before.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Spaz

He is. I read an article proposing T-mac is a better player than Kobe a few years ago. It was silly then, and they've gone in opposing directions since then.


Luckily for T-Mac, the team surrounding him is better than he's ever enjoyed before.

Kobe has 2 things going for him that T-Mac can't touch.

#1. Mental toughness. Kobe will cut your heart out and feed it to you, to win a game. T-Mac not so much.

#2. WHen it comes to superstar treatment by the officials...T-Mac can't touch Kobe. Yes Kobe got a ton of techs this season, but that's beside the point. In the stretch there is one guy who will get more calls than most players in the league and Kobe is the leader in that regard.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

What I mean is the probability of both is so remote that it's not worth arguing what will happen beyond those events (Jazz going to Finals or winning the Powerball).

Only a slobbering idiot would think I was actually saying that the odds of the Jazz going to the NBA Finals was greater than 100,000,000:1.

So you have troubles making apt comparisons and your inclusion of the comparison was therefore of no value. I get it. Note to self: ignore most of what Indy says as Indy himself doesn't find it relevant.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

So you have troubles making apt comparisons and your inclusion of the comparison was therefore of no value. I get it. Note to self: ignore most of what Indy says as Indy himself doesn't find it relevant.

Note to Cali: understand the principle being illustrated and stop being a mindless literalist.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Kobe has 2 things going for him that T-Mac can't touch.

#1. Mental toughness. Kobe will cut your heart out and feed it to you, to win a game. T-Mac not so much.

#2. WHen it comes to superstar treatment by the officials...T-Mac can't touch Kobe. Yes Kobe got a ton of techs this season, but that's beside the point. In the stretch there is one guy who will get more calls than most players in the league and Kobe is the leader in that regard.

I think the "kobe gets the calls" issue is blown a little out of proportion. I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with hard data that shows Kobe gets more than his share of fouls called proportional to the number of touches. Keep in mind - he's going to get more touches down the stretch than probably any other player in the league.



Granted, I'm biased, and this is on the defensive end, but in the Denver series, I saw at least 4 calls on Kobe where he didn't even touch the guy (I only watched parts of three games)...

One was quite egregious. Guy shot a jump-shot, Kobe extended to attempt the block, and pulled back his hand when the player let the ball go. Kobe didn't touch the guy. No lower-body contact. Nothing. And yet he was called for the foul.


Similarly, on the offensive end, there were several times he got hacked in the 3rd quarter of game4, with no call.