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MikeWaters · 08-08-2007, 01:41 PM

Does Bonds feel bad that his trainer is sitting in prison for refusing to testify about Bonds' steroid use?

I mean, does it bother Bonds at all?

I'd be shocked if it did.

DrumNFeather · 08-08-2007, 01:47 PM

I think that baseball fans are kind of nostalgically blind when it comes to how they view the "heros" of baseball's past. In doing so, there is an application of "unwritten" rules and standards that is applied to Bonds. Fair or not, he is held to the standards of the "non steroid ere," and as such, will never measure up to many of the greats of the game.

However, if some of those players were held to the behavioral standards of today's professional athelete, they would be suspended frequently (Ruth & Mantle have been specifically documented as having problems in these areas).

Regardless of what measuring stick is used, it is important to understand, at least in my view that this alleged steriod problem is one that was created or at least fostered by Major league baseball. As such, it has no choice but to celebrate records broken by players from that era. This is a problem that baseball higher ups seemed to know about and did nothing about...to the point where Jose Canseco has become the most credible source to many on the steroid front.

For a game with such a storied past of both cheaters and non cheaters, baseball seems to be in a sad current state of affairs...one that it might not be able to pull itself out of. Attendance may be up in some ball parks, but overall, as this record manifests, the interest in major league baseball in America is waning and it'll take a Sosa/McGuire & Ripken like chase to bring it back.

MikeWaters · 08-08-2007, 01:52 PM

It's funny how Canseco has gone from pariah to pariah-prophet.

And he says he has the goods on A-Rod coming out in his next book.

ChinoCoug · 08-08-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by YOhio

He cheated on his wife. How can you ever cheer for an adulterer?

per Canseco, Clemens is the lone player who didn't cheat on his wife.

DrumNFeather · 08-08-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It's funny how Canseco has gone from pariah to pariah-prophet.

And he says he has the goods on A-Rod coming out in his next book.

Yeah, that'll be interesting.

I know there are masking agents and what not, but I'm still surprised that MLB and George Mitchell haven't been able to catch anyone significant outside of Giambi.

MikeWaters · 08-08-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

per Canseco, Clemens is the lone player who didn't cheat on his wife.

a-rod was recently photographed in a hotel elevator with an attractive woman who wasn't his wife.

yet he is the non-cheating golden boy.

SteelBlue · 08-08-2007, 02:18 PM

Bottom line is that in a sense steroids saved baseball. The home run chase between Sosa and McGwire brought back the fans post strike. I believe that owners and commisioners looked the other way because they knew the behavior was restoring the fan base.

MikeWaters · 08-08-2007, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

Bottom line is that in a sense steroids saved baseball. The home run chase between Sosa and McGwire brought back the fans post strike. I believe that owners and commisioners looked the other way because they knew the behavior was restoring the fan base.

But Bud Selig says this is not true, and that he was shocked to find out that there might be steroid use in baseball.

DrumNFeather · 08-08-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

But Bud Selig says this is not true, and that he was shocked to find out that there might be steroid use in baseball.

Well, he might be right about his team...the Brewers, I mean, they've sucked forever. Maybe they weren't in on the steroids...and since that is really the only team he follows, perhaps he can claim ignorance.

YOhio · 08-08-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

per Canseco, Clemens is the lone player who didn't cheat on his wife.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. I realize that an overwhelming majority of athletes commit adultery.

08-08-2007, 01:47 PM	#22
DrumNFeather Active LDS Ute Fan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nantucket : ) Posts: 2,566	I think that baseball fans are kind of nostalgically blind when it comes to how they view the "heros" of baseball's past. In doing so, there is an application of "unwritten" rules and standards that is applied to Bonds. Fair or not, he is held to the standards of the "non steroid ere," and as such, will never measure up to many of the greats of the game. However, if some of those players were held to the behavioral standards of today's professional athelete, they would be suspended frequently (Ruth & Mantle have been specifically documented as having problems in these areas). Regardless of what measuring stick is used, it is important to understand, at least in my view that this alleged steriod problem is one that was created or at least fostered by Major league baseball. As such, it has no choice but to celebrate records broken by players from that era. This is a problem that baseball higher ups seemed to know about and did nothing about...to the point where Jose Canseco has become the most credible source to many on the steroid front. For a game with such a storied past of both cheaters and non cheaters, baseball seems to be in a sad current state of affairs...one that it might not be able to pull itself out of. Attendance may be up in some ball parks, but overall, as this record manifests, the interest in major league baseball in America is waning and it'll take a Sosa/McGuire & Ripken like chase to bring it back. __________________ "It's not like we played the school of the blind out there." - Brian Johnson.

08-08-2007, 01:41 PM	#21
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Does Bonds feel bad that his trainer is sitting in prison for refusing to testify about Bonds' steroid use? I mean, does it bother Bonds at all? I'd be shocked if it did.

08-08-2007, 01:52 PM	#23
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It's funny how Canseco has gone from pariah to pariah-prophet. And he says he has the goods on A-Rod coming out in his next book.

08-08-2007, 02:18 PM	#27
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	Bottom line is that in a sense steroids saved baseball. The home run chase between Sosa and McGwire brought back the fans post strike. I believe that owners and commisioners looked the other way because they knew the behavior was restoring the fan base.