What race were Adam and Eve?

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Men rejoice at being led like cattle again, with the terrible gift of freedom that brought them so much suffering removed from them . . . . We will convince them that they will only be free when they have surrendered their freedom and submitted to us . . . . Freedom, free thought, and science will lead them into such straits and will bring them face to face with such marvels and insoluble mysteries, that some of them, the fierce and rebellious, will destroy themselves, others, rebellious but weak, will destroy one another, while the rest, weak and unhappy, will crawl fawning to our feet and whine to us: “Yes, you were right, you alone possess His mystery, and we come back to you, save us from ourselves!”

--The Grand Inquisitor

You wholly discount the role of the Holy Ghost. Were it not for that, this would apply.

Pearls before swine I suppose ...

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

You wholly discount the role of the Holy Ghost. Were it not for that, this would apply.

Pearls before swine I suppose ...

I don't really like the way SU went about his point but I am somewhat symphatitic to it. Referring to testimony has its place and I thought your use of it was within that place. However, I often find that appeals to to testimony are used as a bludgeon to end debate or to signal to others that they clearly aren't on the Lord side or that their testimony is somehow lacking (I don't think that is what you were doing). Testimony, to a large degree, is a tactical nuclear weapon, in a conventional weapon war.

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by pelagius

Testimony, to a large degree, is a tactical nuclear weapon, in a conventional weapon war.

The very fact that you're using a war metaphor illustrates the problem we have IMO.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by pelagius

Testimony, to a large degree, is a tactical nuclear weapon, in a conventional weapon war.

I'm all in favor of non-nuclear religious discussions. I've been a strong advocate of disarmament.

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

The very fact that you're using a war metaphor illustrates the problem we have IMO.

Well, sometimes a metaphor falls flat, but at least Tex enjoyed it.

Originally Posted by Tex

I'm all in favor of non-nuclear religious discussions. I've been a strong advocate of disarmament.

[ChinoCoug]

Adam had 900 years to move from Missouri to Africa, I'm sure he could've done it.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

Adam had 900 years to move from Missouri to Africa, I'm sure he could've done it.

Didn't Pangaea split millions of years before hominids were trudging through the mud of Olduvai Gorge?

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Didn't Pangaea split millions of years before hominids were trudging through the mud of Olduvai Gorge?

don't know

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Didn't Pangaea split millions of years before hominids were trudging through the mud of Olduvai Gorge?

You hear this argument in Mormon circles: that Adam migrated to Missouri to finally bless his posterity which was possible because of the single land mass and Adam living a long time. At least I have (it seems like Chino was joking about it but I have heard people seriously advance this argument). I have also never understand how this works for people or the kind of underlying assumptions they are making about the geology and biology. I think Pangaea is hypothesized to have split apart from 250 million to like 50 million years ago and the first fossil record of a homo-sapien is dated to about 250,000 years ago.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

how do we know?

gene variety is greater in Africa than anywhere else