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Tex · 10-07-2007, 05:35 PM

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She addressed motherhood as if it is the optimum state of LDS womanhood. Sorry to disappoint you, but there are plenty of us not in a position to be mothers. Many LDS women, for whatever reason, will never be mothers. According to Beck, we are non-entities.

Where in this GC are any words addressing those of us not in the mainstream? Am I only of eternal worth if I toddle down to the local sperm bank?

It is easy for those of you in family situations to sit back and condescendingly pontificate that all is well...

What a terribly pessimistic and depressing outlook on a very nice talk.

Requiem · 10-07-2007, 05:39 PM

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What a terribly pessimistic and depressing outlook on a very nice talk.

Hopefully your naivete' is tempered by a modicum of compassion. GC Sundays can be hell.

Tex · 10-07-2007, 05:41 PM

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GC Sundays can be hell.

I find them to be quite nice.

SoonerCoug · 10-07-2007, 05:43 PM

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I find them to be quite nice.

First time I've ever agreed with Tex.

I like GC, too. It means I get to stay home and watch football.

Requiem · 10-07-2007, 05:43 PM

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I find them to be quite nice.

Well then, as Tex says, so let it be written. That is one of the most narrow minded comments you have made. Given your body of work, that is remarkable.

Tex · 10-07-2007, 05:48 PM

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Well then, as Tex says, so let it be written. That is one of the most narrow minded comments you have made. Given your body of work, that is remarkable.

What a wonderful thing General Conference is! We get a chance every 6 months to receive 8-10 hours of counsel and instruction from men and women chosen by God to lead us. We hear revelation, testimony, and faith. We are taught by a prophet of God, live and in color!

Such a marvelous thing, it makes me excited.

jay santos · 10-07-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

She addressed motherhood as if it is the optimum state of LDS womanhood. Sorry to disappoint you, but there are plenty of us not in a position to be mothers. Many LDS women, for whatever reason, will never be mothers. According to Beck, we are non-entities.

Where in this GC are any words addressing those of us not in the mainstream? Am I only of eternal worth if I toddle down to the local sperm bank?

It is easy for those of you in family situations to sit back and condescendingly pontificate that all is well...

I don't blame you for feeling that way, but I think it's sad and it's wrong.

It's not so much a male vs female thing. I feel like my most important work of my life is as a father and as a husband.

I understand not all will have ideal lives and that makes life confusing and enters in sorrow and trials for many. But unempathetic as it might sound, I believe no one escapes those sorrow and trials in this life, and the fact that it creates sorrow and trials for some to talk of the ideal life for God's children is not a reason to avoid talking about it.

I try to be sympathetic to those that feel judged, but the quote attributed to Nelson Mandela comees to my mind in this case.

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."

It doesn't do anyone any good to avoid talking about how to live the best we can and to strive for that because we're worried it might hurt someone else's feelings. That doesn't take away how hurtful it might be for you, though, and I trust God to bless you as you endure those trials.

Adam talks about how the church needs to ask for more sacrifice from its members. MW talks about how we need to differentiate ourselves from other Christian churches. This subject, to me, is the primary way we can do it. Men, give up the worldly way of chasing women, seeking fame and fortune, and dedicate yourselves to your wife and children. Women, same thing. It's a difficult thing, but it's a beautiful message and ideal life to try to attain.

JohnnyLingo · 10-07-2007, 06:09 PM

Both my mother and my wife loved Sister Beck's talk.

Maybe that explains a bit.

Sassy in RS · 10-07-2007, 06:14 PM

Did she cite a single scripture? It sounded like more cultural pablum.

tooblue · 10-07-2007, 06:17 PM

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Did she cite a single scripture? It sounded like more cultural pablum.

Did she not site woman of consequence from the Bible? Is she not a general leader of this church, empowered to teach and edify at General Conference?

10-07-2007, 06:09 PM	#18
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Both my mother and my wife loved Sister Beck's talk. Maybe that explains a bit.

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Sassy in RS Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 31	Did she cite a single scripture? It sounded like more cultural pablum.