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Old 11-11-2008, 03:43 PM   #11
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Does that include your actual score? I thought it was just the report (which is also very telling, to be sure).
No, unfortunately it doesn't, but you can usually buy it cheaply ($10 or so) which is what institutions have to do when they run your credit.

As it happens, one my cards provides my credit score to me free of charge (can't remember which credit agency they use), so I don't have to worry about that.
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:55 PM   #12
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I work in the Credit Card industry, and I used to work at one of the three credit bureaus, although I don't know all the ins and outs of the FICO score. Very few people do know the details, it is a closely guarded secret. If you call any of the three bureaus, they won't tell you how things will impact your score, for two reasons. First, FICO doesn't like information like this made public, since it makes it easier to game the system. Second, no one you speak to at the bureaus will know anything useful.

Having said that, closing a card won't impact your score much, with one exception that I will elaborate on below. If the issuer closes your card, it will usually ding you quite a bit, since they usually close your card because you are a bad customer. If you open a card, your credit will be hurt somewhat less, but still more than if you close a card, since opening a card is a possible sign of financial distress. The only time that closing a card will really hurt you is if you carry a high balance on all your other cards. Closing a card will then increase your utilization (balance divided by credit limit). If your utilization gets high, your score will suffer greatly. If your other cards carry no balances, I would be very surprised if your score dropped by 5 points, if at all. Any drop should resolve itself within a few months.

It may be worth it to ask for the fee to be waived, but issuers are more reluctant to do that these days (we're feeling the financial pinch), and it would only be a one year fix. They aren't going to waive it completely for you. If you don't use the card, they probably won't waive the fee, as they don't have much incentive to keep you around.

As far as the new card/transfer card thing, it depends on the issuer and the product. There are some cards that we can just transfer to a different product without closing the card, and some that we can't. Since this is an airline card, though, I would guess that they will have to close it.

I would just close it, unless it is a US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Hawaiian Airlines, or Lufthansa card. In that case, I would encourage you to open up 3 or 4 more of them and carry very large balances. It would really help me out.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:01 PM   #13
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Does that include your actual score? I thought it was just the report (which is also very telling, to be sure).

Surfah, I would do as tex says and pull your report every now and then. In the past, I have found errors, including:

1. A series of unpaid medical bills for surgeries. I didnt have any surgery or medical bills, so that one was easy to get removed.
2. A late payment for some bank loan.....attributed to me but should have been attritbuted to someone living in Oklahoma. I had never taken out any such loan.
3. Department store charge cards that I never opened.

It is pretty safe to say that the credit agencies are not perfect and need a little help from time to time.
I have a monthly credit monitoring service and I use my one free credit report each year. However, that is just a report and you have to pay for your FICO score.

Interesting to note to is that for different loans or credits FICO scores are adjusted. When you apply for a car loan the sample from which they draw your credit worthiness is different than say a home.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:21 PM   #14
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I work in the Credit Card industry, and I used to work at one of the three credit bureaus, although I don't know all the ins and outs of the FICO score. Very few people do know the details, it is a closely guarded secret. If you call any of the three bureaus, they won't tell you how things will impact your score, for two reasons. First, FICO doesn't like information like this made public, since it makes it easier to game the system. Second, no one you speak to at the bureaus will know anything useful.

Having said that, closing a card won't impact your score much, with one exception that I will elaborate on below. If the issuer closes your card, it will usually ding you quite a bit, since they usually close your card because you are a bad customer. If you open a card, your credit will be hurt somewhat less, but still more than if you close a card, since opening a card is a possible sign of financial distress. The only time that closing a card will really hurt you is if you carry a high balance on all your other cards. Closing a card will then increase your utilization (balance divided by credit limit). If your utilization gets high, your score will suffer greatly. If your other cards carry no balances, I would be very surprised if your score dropped by 5 points, if at all. Any drop should resolve itself within a few months.

It may be worth it to ask for the fee to be waived, but issuers are more reluctant to do that these days (we're feeling the financial pinch), and it would only be a one year fix. They aren't going to waive it completely for you. If you don't use the card, they probably won't waive the fee, as they don't have much incentive to keep you around.

As far as the new card/transfer card thing, it depends on the issuer and the product. There are some cards that we can just transfer to a different product without closing the card, and some that we can't. Since this is an airline card, though, I would guess that they will have to close it.

I would just close it, unless it is a US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Hawaiian Airlines, or Lufthansa card. In that case, I would encourage you to open up 3 or 4 more of them and carry very large balances. It would really help me out.
This is the proper advice. As long as on your credit report it says: "Closed by Consumer" and not "Closed by creditor" You will be fine, not a huge hit at all. In fact it could potentially help your score if your available credit limit is say 20,000. That is higher risk because at any time you can go out and add 20k to your credit profile. That is why most people tell you to have your balance to limit ratio at about 50%.

Are you sure you are not over 800? I mean everyone I talk to is.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:27 PM   #15
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This is the proper advice. As long as on your credit report it says: "Closed by Consumer" and not "Closed by creditor" You will be fine, not a huge hit at all. In fact it could potentially help your score if your available credit limit is say 20,000. That is higher risk because at any time you can go out and add 20k to your credit profile. That is why most people tell you to have your balance to limit ratio at about 50%.

Are you sure you are not over 800? I mean everyone I talk to is.
I wish I were above 800.

Truthfully, I seem to have maxed out. I hit a ceiling and don't seem to move up or down either way.

What are the people at 800 doing that the ones at 730-760 are not? I know the rate benefit differential at that level is going to be negligible, but out of curiosity, how do some folks get up past 800? Do I have to open a few more cards, use them, and pay them off on time?
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:46 PM   #16
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I wish I were above 800.

Truthfully, I seem to have maxed out. I hit a ceiling and don't seem to move up or down either way.

What are the people at 800 doing that the ones at 730-760 are not? I know the rate benefit differential at that level is going to be negligible, but out of curiosity, how do some folks get up past 800? Do I have to open a few more cards, use them, and pay them off on time?
I have only pulled about 2000 credit reports in my lifetime and I have seen over 800, once or twice. So you may want to ask BDB because she doesnt use credit cards, has a co-signer on her car and is still over 800 which is amazing.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:48 PM   #17
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I wish I were above 800.

Truthfully, I seem to have maxed out. I hit a ceiling and don't seem to move up or down either way.

What are the people at 800 doing that the ones at 730-760 are not? I know the rate benefit differential at that level is going to be negligible, but out of curiosity, how do some folks get up past 800? Do I have to open a few more cards, use them, and pay them off on time?

Hard to say without looking at your credit file. You said you only have two cards. If you put a lot of charges on one of them, even if you are paying it off every month, your utilization might be a little high. In this case, having a couple of additional cards with empty balances could help, but it is not a short-term fix. Opening up more cards will cause your score to go down for the next year or so, maybe a little longer.

Opening any new account will cause your score to go down for a while, so if you just got a car loan 6 months ago, you just need to wait for another year or so.

How long have you had credit in general, and your mortgage? If it is a relatively short time (less than 7 years for credit, and less than 2 years on your mortgage), it will be tougher to get up above 800.

Obviously, it is tough to get above 800 if you have anything derogatory. If you were 30 days late on your Sears card 2 years ago, or never paid your last electric bill which went to collections 5 years ago, you will have to wait for those to roll off.

For most things, there is little to know difference between a 770 and an 810, but occasionally there are benefits. One "hidden" benefit is that it is not uncommon for marketers to take anyone over 800 off their mailing lists. They need credit so little that almost none of them respond. It is not uncommon to mail 1,000 people with 800+ FICO and have, on average, one of them respond.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:59 PM   #18
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How long does it take negative ticks to roll off your credit score?

Like DDD, I'm hoping to push my 799 score over the 800 threshold.
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I have only pulled about 2000 credit reports in my lifetime and I have seen over 800, once or twice. So you may want to ask BDB because she doesnt use credit cards, has a co-signer on her car and is still over 800 which is amazing.
My experience is a little different than this, although I agree that 800+ is rare. Of people who apply for credit, we see about 2% to 3% that have a score of 800 or over. We may skew a little high.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:34 PM   #20
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My credit score is 805 as of a month ago.

One thing that probably helps (I don't know for sure) is that I have some very high limits on a bunch of credit cards that I never use. I have one card with a $30K limit and another with a $40K limit and several other with about $15K limits. I don't ever carry a balance. I think one factor is the debt to available credit ratio and if you keep that very, very low I believe it helps your score.
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