02-13-2008, 12:18 AM | #1 |
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Abraham/Isaac sacrifice
Who here believes the narrative as proposed?
I'm aware of its metaphorical value, but does everybody simply accept at face value that Abraham was requested and accepted the fact that he intended to sacrifice Isaac? I will not deny the power of the analogy, but whether anybody is really willing to kill one's offspring, is very difficult for me to accept. It is also plausible for me that something which evolved into the current narrative actually occurred, but what do I know. Any other speculations?
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02-13-2008, 12:47 AM | #2 |
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I believe it, but mainly because believing it adds power to the message; i.e., I want to believe it. I can only take Kierkegaard in small doses, but his Panegyric Upon Abraham, at the beginning of Fear and Trembling, has provided fodder for at least a half dozen talks I've given over the years. Like the narrator in that introduction, I'm incapable of fully understanding or appreciating Abraham, but it's an interesting exercise to try.
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02-13-2008, 01:00 AM | #3 |
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The Abraham/Issac story was presented recently in a lesson I attended as an example of the "refiner's fire."
I suppose the point was that Abraham wanted all of the things he wanted for himself, not because it was the lord's will. Through his faith and the refiner's fire of having to give Issac up as an offering to the Lord, he was showing the lord that he would do the lord's will when asked. |
02-13-2008, 01:10 AM | #4 |
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The Abraham/Isaac sacrifice is one of the most damaging and stupid stories in all scripture, IMO.
Job also ranks right up there. Last edited by SoonerCoug; 02-13-2008 at 01:14 AM. |
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Inflammatory statement with zero explanation or support. Ding! Ready for this? My Old Testament teacher believes Abraham actually sacrificed Isaac and God raised Isaac from the dead later. |
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02-13-2008, 01:44 AM | #7 |
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Your Old Testament teacher is an idiot. You can tell him I said that.
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02-13-2008, 01:54 AM | #9 |
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The idea that Isaac was raised from the dead is found is some rabbinic midrash. I assume he is drawing on those sources.
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While the Abraham story is indeed horrible (Killing is fine as long you think God told you to!), it's hard to beat the flood story. God wipes out however many millions of people because they were "wicked," when he's the one supposedly responsible for creating them that way to begin with. Without changing their nature, humans return to "sin" immediately. I wonder if God was surprised by that or if he just got his rocks off by killing people. Otherwise, what was the point of the flood? |
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